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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jul 19, 2017 1:50 PM CST
It is hot here and I want to add something to my raised beds to help fill in around my many daylilies to add additional shade around the roots and help retain moisture in the ground.

By accident, I now have Sedum growing in one of my containers. I have this succulent growing in a pot above the daylily container and some pieces broke off and filled in the container around the daylilies. I was worried it might kill the daylilies, but so far they seem to be holding their own with the sedum.
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And then in a 3-tiered raised bed, I have Sweet alyssum growing in an upper tier and is starting to spread into the lower, larger daylily bed.
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Are both of those good, safe companion plants to use. Both spread rather easily and quickly. My concern was they might possibly squeeze out/kill the daylilies due to their fast spreading. But the roots of these ground cover plants doesn't seem too bad. Or maybe I am totally wrong?

I really need some plants to fill in where all the dark soil is in some other raised beds as it sure heats up the bed and causes quick evaporation of any watering I do.

Help! I need your opinions and advice! Thanks in advance. Thank You!
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Bonehead
Jul 19, 2017 1:56 PM CST
I like the look of both of those, and nice that they are volunteers. Likely as your daylillies mature, there may not be enough sun for either of those groundcovers, but then they'll just colonize elsewhere. I find sweet violets happily growing beneath my mature daylillies.
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jul 19, 2017 2:00 PM CST
Deb - Thanks! Violets are nice, too! They struggle here in the heat of summer, unfortunately.

The sedum and alyssum seem to be more tolerant of the high heat here. Especially the sedum, which is a drought tolerant succulent. I am just worried about either of the ground cover plants taking too many of the soil nutrients and fertilizer away from the daylilies. But again, I could be wrong in my assumption.
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Bonehead
Jul 19, 2017 2:20 PM CST
Maybe just fertilize a bit more?
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beckygardener
Jul 19, 2017 2:23 PM CST
Maybe. I honestly don't know. I am hoping someone has had experience with either of those ground cover plants and can shed some light on their growth habits.
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 19, 2017 2:50 PM CST
Interesting question. I have tried growing ground covers around some of my daylilies, and ended up not liking it. I decided I had rather have an extra layer of mulch. If I moved a plant with ground cover growing all around it, then the likelihood of spreading the ground cover to other beds increased. If I want to water or fertilize the daylilies then the ground covers which normally don't need much attention goes wild and over takes the space. I also felt the daylilies were being deprived of nutrients. Now, none of these things may apply in your case, just some some things to consider and evaluate. One thing I found was that weeds could hide very well in such a ground cover, and get pretty well established before I realized it. Naturally such a ground cover could also have been preventing many weeds from ever seeing the light of day. It just didn't work for me with the type of weeds I have in my garden. Another reason I ended up not liking such plants mixed in with the daylilies was that the ground covers always seemed to be either too lush (seemed to be overtaking the daylilies) or too skimpy (looked like spots were dying or unhealthy) and I just did not like the look. Once again that may not apply in your situation. I think however the main reason for finally (for the moment) deciding to go with just the mulch is mulch made it much easier to work the daylilies. I end up walking in my beds, deadheading, pulling weeds, etc. Fertilizing is so much easier when you have a clean bed around the plants.
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taylordaylily
Jul 19, 2017 3:03 PM CST
I have Angelina Sedum growing in several of my beds. It's been growing around my daylilies for 4 or 5 years now, it's never caused any problems here. Other groundcovers that I use are Strawberry plants, ceratostigma ( lead plant), and Ajuga Black Scallion. The only one I don't recommend is Ajuga. It doesn't choke out daylilies, but will other plants, like Shasta daisies, and Platycodon.

I've been experimenting with groundcovers, because my gardens are large, and mulching them gets expensive. I also use portulaca, and let it seed itself around for groundcover. It's one of my favorites, due to the riot of color it provides.

Great thread idea! I can't wait to see what others have tried, and like. I'm always looking for new ideas. Thumbs up
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 19, 2017 3:16 PM CST
Becky, I guess the word to use is "caution" and be aware that plants in your area may be very aggressive where they are not in other areas. I am constantly battling portulaca, it spreads like crazy here.
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taylordaylily
Jul 19, 2017 3:37 PM CST
Larry has valid points, weeds do get into the sedum, and it's slightly challenging to remove them. I just remove the sedum with the weed, it will fill back in. I don't have this issue with Ceratostigma.
For the record: I'm not a Better Homes and garden type of gardener. By this I mean, I don't deadhead, and I don't use pesticides ( you'll definitely see insects in my gardens, and damage), I don't follow garden design rules, and countless other things many tidy gardeners would cringe at. I garden for fun, and to enjoy nature, as long as my plants are happy, I'm happy. I'm in no way judging how others garden, we all have our own way of gardening, and I enjoy every garden, I see.
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jul 19, 2017 4:13 PM CST
I had portulaca growing in a hanging basket and it spread seeds around. After 5 years, I am still removing it from my paths. None in my daylily beds though.

I do like the sedum. And I can testify that it reduces the watering I have to do in that container. It is so dense that I think it slows evaporation and keeps the daylily roots cooler. Being a succulent, I don't know how much water it takes from the daylily plants, but when I do water, the daylily fans seem to look "refreshed" longer in the heat of the day. The bad thing is that it could pose a matting problem because it is so dense. Which might make it harder for the daylilies to multiply. Though I don't really know if that would be true. Daylilies seem to be tough and strong plants.

I do use a little bit of mulch around my daylilies, but the mulch seems to be a hiding place for some pests like thrips. So I have been reluctant to use more mulch.

I really appreciate all the suggestions and look forward to hearing more suggestions and comments.

I can honestly say that this has been an issue for me since I started growing daylilies several years ago. What to plant in a raised bed with daylilies that won't compete too much for water and fertilizer.

And I have to concur with Taylordaylily .... my yard is also NOT a Better Homes and Garden yard. I provide and grow a nature habitat for wildlife, so I grow all kinds of plants in my yard that does not have designer landscaping. Though I do try to make it look pleasing and functional.
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 19, 2017 4:18 PM CST
I can truely say that the Better Homes and Gardens must be further down the road.
Name: Elena
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bxncbx
Jul 19, 2017 5:38 PM CST
I'm not sure in your area but alyssum is an annual for me. I had some planted around my neighbor's daylilies and it didn't bother them at all. It will attract bees though so it could make hybridizing more difficult.

If alyssum is perennial for you I still don't think it will hurt the daylilies. These are small plants that don't require tons of water and fertilizer to bloom. They also don't have deep roots.

I quite like the look but squirrels never let my alyssum settle in & spread. I'm trying a perennial Dianthus but who know if it will survive the winter (the plants are small).
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jul 19, 2017 6:00 PM CST
Elena - I had Dianthus at one point but they died eventually instead of spreading. The alyssum seem to have become a perennial here in Florida for me. I was surprised that they spread so readily. They do get pulled up rather easily. Maybe too easily, but they fill right back in, in no time at all. Strangely the scent is most notable in the Spring when the temps are cooler.
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taylordaylily
Jul 19, 2017 6:00 PM CST
Larry, 😂

Great suggestions! I can't wait to hear more.
Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jul 20, 2017 3:07 AM CST
Becky-- I will take some pictures tomorrow and post. I grow Bletilla in giant containers here so I can keep them moist enough. My one container is packed full of the yellow one. The second container has a purple one? It does not grow or bloom like the other one. But sedum like yours fell in the container, it has been in there a awhile. I thought sedum no big deal, but maybe that is what's wrong. I should at least have a half full to 2/3 container of Bletilla by now. They were on opposite ends but I think the sedum took over.

The mulch/ground cover I find that causes me the least problems is plain pine needles and pinecones. Step on the pinecones when dry. Just before mowing time anybody with pine cones and needles will let you pick them up. Just ask but it is hard to get enough. I also have been making circles around daylilies with pinecones, like lots of pinecones. It helps keep things away like weeds and squirrels. I have not noticed the pinecones being moved, but that may change in the fall. I will have to start checking if it detours snails.

Containers started getting the bottom fifth filled with pinecones. Those plants did best, pinecones hold water and release it back. I now dig my holes deeper and throw in pinecones. Water the hole. Put some dirt on the pine cones and compost the hole. If I am just digging soil to add amendments, pine cones get added too. Pretty soon my garden will not only be Caffeinated, but Pined, too.

There has been an unusual rain pattern here so not sure if it has helped. But it is my altered mini hugelkultur to promote moisture without attracting termites.

Good Luck!

May you be blessed!
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 20, 2017 6:54 AM CST
I have spent a lot of time sorting through loads of pine straw I hauled in and pulling out all the pine cones and tossing them away! D'Oh!
Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jul 20, 2017 8:05 AM CST
Becky -- Here are my pictures:
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Thank you for this thread! I think I am going to remove the sedum as my first step to making this Bletilla happier. I checked and last year it had two with a third emerging. Both containers are the same size. I grow a mixed garden and competition amongst plants is fierce in a warm climate. Maybe pinecones in the bottoms of your containers would help with water retention for daylilies. Pinecones and pine needles for mulch on top, but I do not know if they would harbor thrips.

Larry-- So sorry, that was a waste of good pinecones. Probably time too! You should see if your critters are as lazy as mine and try pinecones. Put lots around where you do not want the animals to go. Here they move on and do not move the cones. I will say in winter the voles eat random pinecones down to the stems. But for some strange reason voles did not bother the ones around plants. Shrug! The ones around the plants are old cones and the random ones are fresh falls. Shrug! On your better plants keep the wire and add pinecones around that. Maybe racoons and possum will not like the hassle of lots of cones.

@legalily maybe pinecones will keep bunnies away. Rabbits are not great movers.

May everyone be blessed with great successes!
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taylordaylily
Jul 20, 2017 8:37 AM CST
Sharon, Thank You! I really like your pine cone tips!
Some bunnies are movers, my pet rabbit plays soccer. Hilarious! He's not a wild rabbit though, he's a spoiled Dutch.
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jul 20, 2017 9:13 PM CST
I wished there were more pine trees around here. I have mostly oak trees and the horrible Brazilian Pepper Trees which are good for nothing (IMHO).

Sharon - So you think the sedum may not be a good idea?
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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jul 21, 2017 6:36 AM CST
I think in warm climates daylilies do not take well to having competition. The sedum may take more water than thought.
Sedum has shallow roots maybe it takes first grab at water, before it can get all the way to the daylilies roots.

I do grow a cottage garden using plants for my zone, but am slowly reworking the logistics of the garden. In a long growing season with high heat I have been finding there is no such thing as companion planting. Somebody wins and somebody loses, or both just barely survive and no one thrives. I prefer to pick rather than letting the plants pick amongst themselves.
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I was blessed to get all these giant green containers at end of season sale. Prime daylilies, which are called that because of vigor and bloom, get a spot in the top pot. Other daylilies get planted around the pots to catch the water run off. The inground daylilies have pinecones underneath them and around them. Such as under the path way. No competition from the path. Iris on the other side of the path are not water competitive either. To the west which is left-side on pictures. 5 ft salvia Indigo Spires blocks sun, with trees. The giant pots block sun and help keep the ground damp around them. There are no companion plants, but alot is growing in that bed.

In the front of the picture are lilium and they shade the Amaryllis.
Bulbs do not seem to be competitive either. I do have areas of companion plants, but here I have grouped by water needs. I do have some "successful" in ground daylilies. I happened to pull a fan here and there and give an extra spot in pots to them. The fans in pots produced better than their counterparts. It is the water and nutrients I can control in pots. Ground resources do not look like they can be shared. I have not found a way around mulch or its problems.

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