Plant ID forum: What type of Joe Pye Weed is this?

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Name: Anita
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Lioba
Jul 20, 2017 10:12 AM CST
I have tried to research this Joe Pye Weed, which I first thought was a Milkweed due to how the buds cluster in a ball and are whitish. However, there are no serrated edged Milkweeds.

This is the Joe Pye Weed in question:



Right now, July 20 in zone 5a the above plant buds are starting to turn pink but still staying in that ball cluster. It is very tall like Milkweed. Its like the 2 plants came together.

Below is the Spotted Joe Pye Weed buds. They are in full bloom as of this date. Their bud cluster is completely different. However both have the same leaves and the dark red stems.


So folks what do I have here?

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Name: Janine
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janinilulu
Jul 20, 2017 1:29 PM CST
Perhaps it's a Eupatorium/Boneset vs. Eutrochium/Joe Pye Weed.
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Jul 20, 2017 5:41 PM CST

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The first picture is a Joe Pye Weed (Eutrochium) although figuring out exactly which species probably won't be easy.

The second picture doesn't appear to be of a Joe Pye Weed at all. It looks like Queen of the Prairie (Filipendula rubra)
Name: Debbie
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DebbieC
Jul 20, 2017 9:39 PM CST
Not sure about the first picture, but the second is Filipendula Venusta (Queen of the Prairie).
Name: Anita
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Lioba
Jul 21, 2017 8:52 AM CST
Really?! I'm excited about the second one. I'll read about it. I love how it gets so feathery. So in the plant files I have to ask that it be moved. Thank you.
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Name: Debbie
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DebbieC
Jul 21, 2017 9:43 AM CST
Hi Anita,
Queen of the Prairie is a beautiful plant but just be aware it can be a bit of a thug. It can take up a lot of real estate over time and the root structures are big, tough and thong-like. It does like moisture so maybe keeping in a bit drier soil can help keep it less vigorous. That's my theory anyway.😳
I was looking at your first picture again and went to check my Joe Pye and thought it looked quite similar.
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I believe it to be Eutrochium fistulosum. Hope this helps!

Name: Anita
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Lioba
Jul 23, 2017 8:23 AM CST
Yes Debbie,
You have gotten closer than I have. Thank you!

Oh about the Queen of the Prairie. I inherited it along with many invasives. Its hasn't spread much even though it is about 15 ft from a creek. I am in no control of its water supply. I might have to pull it though because it is in the way of a project I am working on. If I replant it, it will have a lot of competition for resources. Thank you for the heads up.
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Name: greene
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greene
Jul 23, 2017 8:44 AM CST
I'm just reading along and am confused. Please, I only see one image in the original post and no edits. Where is the second photo? (Or maybe I am just old and blind. *Blush* Rolling on the floor laughing )
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Name: Anita
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Lioba
Jul 23, 2017 9:08 AM CST
@greene, I thought I was going crazy. I posted a comparison photo of what I thought was a Joe Pye Weed. I guess it was removed without notifying me. There was a second photo. It was identified as Queen of the Prairie by these awesome folks here. I am going to go look for it there. You are a great editor! Thank you!
Its easy for me to believe in miracles when science can't explain why a blade of grass has its shape and that is just one plant and one attribute.

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