Plant ID forum: Please help identify huge tree in my garden

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Bigpads
Jul 25, 2017 8:44 AM CST
Hello,

I've tried all the online tree ID websites and a few apps and I'm not getting anywhere with finding out what this tree is! Hopefully you can help!

It's huge, taller than my house. It has very simple glossy leaves, no serrations, ranging around 5-10 cm long where I can reach them, but I can see higher up they get around double the size. When fallen and dried in the sun they have a faint perfume and sweetness to them.
At the moment the tree has small oval seeds/fruit that are smooth, bright green with pale green dots, around 1cm. I've never seen them mature as they seem to all get eaten by something. The bark is only slightly textured, with small cracks, very dark brown and green.

The wide image of the tree has another tree behind it with different leaves, fyi.

Thanks everyone, I'm looking forward to hearing your suggestions!


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Sweetwind
Jul 28, 2017 11:07 PM CST
Hi there! Have you ever seen the tree make flowers? That could help identify it too. Or do the seeds get larger than that, or have a covering, and inside is a nut? I was thinking it might be some kind of almond tree or sweet almond (prunis dulcis) but that would be quite a large one!
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kniphofia
Jul 28, 2017 11:27 PM CST
Yes information about the flowers would really help but I think Sweetwind has it. Take a look at the database entry Almond (Prunus dulcis)

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DaisyI
Jul 29, 2017 12:47 AM CST
Sorry, but that's not an almond tree.
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Bigpads
Jul 29, 2017 4:59 AM CST
Bigpads said:Hello,

I've tried all the online tree ID websites and a few apps and I'm not getting anywhere with finding out what this tree is! Hopefully you can help!

It's huge, taller than my house. It has very simple glossy leaves, no serrations, ranging around 5-10 cm long where I can reach them, but I can see higher up they get around double the size. When fallen and dried in the sun they have a faint perfume and sweetness to them.
At the moment the tree has small oval seeds/fruit that are smooth, bright green with pale green dots, around 1cm. I've never seen them mature as they seem to all get eaten by something. The bark is only slightly textured, with small cracks, very dark brown and green.

The wide image of the tree has another tree behind it with different leaves, fyi.

Thanks everyone, I'm looking forward to hearing your suggestions!


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Hi everyone,

Thanks for your replies. No I don't think it's an almond tree, it certainly doesn't have the blossom. I've never seen the seeds/fruit bigger than pictured as it doesn't have many low down the tree, and those get eaten or drop off while still very small.

I've attached an image of the flowers, though they're a bit dead. I've never even noticed the flowers before, it doesn't have many.

And some more images of the seeds


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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jul 29, 2017 11:34 AM CST
Oh! That's hysterical. I think its an avocado tree. Rolling on the floor laughing How big are those leaves?
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Frillylily
Jul 29, 2017 11:38 AM CST
pecan?
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Frillylily
Jul 29, 2017 11:40 AM CST
oh I see this is UK, not familiar w trees there.

Are the leaves straight across from each other or staggered?
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ctcarol
Jul 29, 2017 11:48 AM CST
The bark and the leaves do look like avocado...depending on the size of the leaves. Many fruit trees drop immature fruit that they can't support, and though I've never seen an avocado quite that shape, there are many varieties that I'm not familiar with.
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crawgarden
Jul 29, 2017 11:59 AM CST
Maybe Melicoccus
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greene
Jul 29, 2017 12:59 PM CST
crawgarden said:Maybe Melicoccus


That looks like a good possibility. They can grow quite tall. Thumbs up

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wildflowers
Jul 29, 2017 1:55 PM CST
The fruit remind me of immature wild plum. The leaves also look similar.

Here's some pics I found
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DaisyI
Jul 29, 2017 2:08 PM CST
crawgarden said:Maybe Melicoccus


Would one survive in London?

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Bigpads
Jul 29, 2017 2:29 PM CST
crawgarden said:Maybe Melicoccus


This looks like the best guess so far! The climate here is definitely not right for them, but perhaps that explains why the fruit never makes it to maturity?! Here is an image inside the tiny immature fruit, finger for scale
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Bigpads
Jul 29, 2017 2:30 PM CST
ctcarol said:The bark and the leaves do look like avocado...depending on the size of the leaves. Many fruit trees drop immature fruit that they can't support, and though I've never seen an avocado quite that shape, there are many varieties that I'm not familiar with.


I've got an avocado tree, a small one indoors, the leaves are definitely very different, but I can see where you're coming from!
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Bigpads
Jul 29, 2017 2:31 PM CST
Frillylily said:oh I see this is UK, not familiar w trees there.

Are the leaves straight across from each other or staggered?


They are staggered
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Silversurfer
Jul 29, 2017 2:41 PM CST
I believe this is a giant Laurus nobilis...common name Bay tree.
They can reach 40 - 60ft in UK.

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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jul 29, 2017 4:11 PM CST
Those do look like Bay leaves. @Bigpads, crumple a leaf and see if it reminds you of culinary Bay leaves.
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Bigpads
Jul 29, 2017 5:16 PM CST
Silversurfer said:I believe this is a giant Laurus nobilis...common name Bay tree.
They can reach 40 - 60ft in UK.



Hi silver surfer,

Those are EXACTLY the seeds. But the leaves have no fragrance at all, except for the ones that dry on the ground that have a very mild scent. Most of the leaves are also at least 5 times the size of my regular bay trees. I've never heard of bay trees getting this large before, it seems mad! Perhaps at this size they loose the flavour in the leaves?


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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jul 29, 2017 7:01 PM CST
We had a Sweet Bay (Laurus nobilis) in the yard of the home where I grew up. One of its characteristics was that it was tall and narrow and it was pointed on top. Your isn't pointed but its certainlly tall and narrow. But the rounded top may be a sign of maturity.

The second thing I remember is that the leaves didn't have a lot of aroma until they where dried and then still were very mild. That's why I prefer California Bay (Umbellularia californica). Smiling



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