Cactus and Tender Succulents forum: Your feedback on succulent genus pages in the database please

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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jul 28, 2017 12:58 PM CST

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I was hoping to get some feedback on database entries for a few succulent genera... Dave created a pretty layout for each genus with some pictures (use the left and right arrows to scroll the images). The text is meant to be a sort of brief introduction, check out your favorite genus to see what might be there.

These are the 5 that I have put together so far, and I would really appreciate your opinions, feedback, or revisions to improve the text.

The Echeverias Database
The Dudleyas Database
The Aloes Database
The Agaves Database
The Aeoniums Database

You can tell from the progression that each one became more elaborate than the previous, so obviously this is a work in progress. There is some formatting to fix. I'll be going back to improve the earlier ones, but at this point I would be grateful if you could take a look at whatever genus interests you and let me know whether the text was helpful, and where it needs adjustment. I realize cold tolerance is not discussed, that's something I would like to get some perspective on before making prescriptions (no cold here!). Smiling

Thank you for whatever you can do to improve this resource.
Name: Thijs van Soest
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mcvansoest
Jul 28, 2017 2:10 PM CST
Hi Baja,

I have added a detailed piece of text regarding Agave Snout Weevil to the Agaves database text. Let me know what you think.

Name: Sweetwind
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Sweetwind
Jul 29, 2017 12:38 PM CST
Very nice -I like the recommended reading list and pest info, useful!
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jul 29, 2017 1:02 PM CST

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Thijs, that is a mother lode of valuable info and tips about the weevil. Thumbs up Thank you! I'll go in there to space out the text on the page and will probably introduce another "Show More" button, to keep the format compact and expandable. At some point I would also like to put in a few comments about gophers and other mammals that snack on agaves, since they are actually the biggest threat to the ones around here.

Sweetwind, thank you for your feedback! A reading list might seem obsolete to some gardeners in the digital age, but I personally like an actual book because I tend to concentrate better when I can't click away. Smiling And a few of those books are works of art, gifts to the rest of us from people who have spent years wrapping their mind around the lifestyle and behavior of certain succulents. I would like to add suggested reading lists and pest info to the entries which don't have them.
Name: Thijs van Soest
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mcvansoest
Jul 29, 2017 1:24 PM CST
Baja,

Do not forget rats! I have only had one instance of rodent predation on my Agaves and some Aloes, which was a rat and it was while the houses on both side of us stood empty, now the only neighbors that are close to are back yard without dogs are the ones right behind us, and we have not seen a rat since...

I have had birds pecking at my lithops during the really dry months... that was not pretty either, but the rat was the worst. He was picky - really preferred variegated Agaves or the miniature Aloes... left many things well enough alone, so you'd have chewed on potted plants, then 10 potted plants next to it just fine, then another completely gone. It has actually chewed itself a way into a big plastic pot and clearly lived there for a while...

I have some info on the mites, but I will get to that some other time.

I was thinking to collect some imagery and maybe start a special thread that can be a sticky or linked to from the Agaves home page or something...

And yes please edit away, I do a lot of scientific writing with multiple authors so have learned to have no issues at all with people changing what I write and correcting my grammar, and any such things.
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jul 29, 2017 9:21 PM CST

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Yes, rats are smart. The mice and squirrels are persistent here once they find something they like, which might be 1 plant in 20, and they will finish it off eventually, but we don't have rats.

Speaking of pests, I just found this AZ extension page which may be of some interest to you. I have never seen prickly pears affected by Eriophyid mites, that's crazy. Also the idea of using electric fences to keep the bunnies out! Smiling I guess you gotta do what you gotta do, and it's better than poisoning them.

https://extension.arizona.edu/...

I like the idea of an agave image thread with whatever stickiness or linkage you prefer, and I'm happy to contribute.
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 30, 2017 10:04 AM CST
Baja, what an impressive job you've done with those main database pages! Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jul 30, 2017 11:33 AM CST

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Thank you for the feedback. I really appreciate you taking a look, Lin. Smiling
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Aug 3, 2017 5:37 PM CST

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Also Thijs, there is a section here devoted to pests (pick your favorite example to explore).

https://garden.org/learn/libra...

You will note that the dedicated pests of agaves and aloes are missing from the list, but that could be rectified. I think pictures of the damage might be more informative than pictures of the bugs, in terms of understanding the infestation, and easier to come by.

For example the crown wilt of an agave invaded by the weevil.

Just throwing that out there, should you have time or interest in populating the "Learning Library" pest section. It looks like 150-200 words is the customary length of each entry.
Name: Thijs van Soest
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mcvansoest
Aug 3, 2017 6:27 PM CST
Baja, I will add it to the list...

The list is not short, so not sure when I get to it.

I have some prime example pictures of the damage weevils do and I know of an unfortunate plant in my neighborhood that I can snap a picture of. Prime example of core still standing rest flat and dead...

Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Aug 3, 2017 6:33 PM CST

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Yes, exactly!

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