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Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Jul 28, 2017 8:52 PM CST
i have had Podophyllums for approx 15 years and have not really wanted to hybridize them even tho most of the ones i have are hybrids. i have P. delavayi a specie & P. spotty dotty a hybrid & P. kaledoscope a hybrid which all look sorta similar
and i decided to cross them this year even tho this is the first year delavayi did not flower i think because i moved it and it is still recovering. P. delavayi flowers at the y junction of the 2 stems
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P. kaleidoscope flowers at the junction of one of the leaves
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P. spotty dotty flowers approx 2/3 of the way up one of the stems
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i crossed spotty dotty & kaleidoscope and half (approx 5) of the spotty dottys grew an extra stem at the flower junction after pollination making it look like delavayi its mother plant
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i have never heard of this and searching can not find anything about it
the brits have been hybridizing Podophyllums for more then a decade and i have also ask them if they are familiar with this trait of spotty dotty
has someone here seen this ?

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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 29, 2017 11:16 AM CST
Sorry I have no information for you but the guy up at keeping it green nursery is doing some amazing work with these plants. You might E-mail him see if he will share any info. The open days at the nursery is finished after the end of June so he might have time to respond. Dan Hinkley is another you might try E-mailing, might get a response.
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Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Dec 9, 2017 7:59 AM CST
update
well all those seed i thought i would have
became a total of 5 seed from spotty dotty Sad
will update again when/if they sprout next spring hopefully

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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
Garden Photography Region: Pacific Northwest Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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springcolor
Dec 10, 2017 1:22 PM CST
Hoping for success.
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Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
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Pistil
Dec 10, 2017 1:55 PM CST
well 5 is better than zero. Let us know in the spring what comes up.
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Feb 2, 2018 6:40 PM CST
looks like one of the 5 seed is going to happen Smiling
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Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
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Pistil
Feb 5, 2018 11:19 AM CST
One is also better than zero! I can't wait to see what they look like when bigger.
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Feb 5, 2018 11:36 AM CST
so am i Mary
like i mentioned earlier the Brits have been doing podophyllums for years and they said they never had success on this particular cross Smiling
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Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Oct 4, 2018 4:28 PM CST
update
the sgl did not make it, not sure why
and both Dan Hinkley and the owner of Green Nursery had not heard of the extra leaf
so i did it again this spring and it looks like i will have a lot of seed this time
i already have some seed larger then last time and from P. kaleidoscope this time
and there are more yet to come
the seed pods are larger this year also
Thumb of 2018-10-04/Strever/63691c

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Name: Bob
Vernon N.J. (Zone 6a)
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NJBob
Oct 4, 2018 6:38 PM CST
Hope you have better luck this time around.
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
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Pistil
Oct 5, 2018 9:51 AM CST
Well drat about the seedling loss. This sounds good for next year with more and stronger seeds.Did the seedling wither away? get eaten by bugs? Died of smoke inhalation from the fires? Stolen by tiny Martians to be used as a tent?
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Oct 6, 2018 12:22 PM CST
i think it was the tiny underground martians that snuck into the soil of that pot Smiling
i will update as more seedpods produce


Pistil said:Well drat about the seedling loss. This sounds good for next year with more and stronger seeds.Did the seedling wither away? get eaten by bugs? Died of smoke inhalation from the fires? Stolen by tiny Martians to be used as a tent?


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Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Oct 9, 2018 12:24 PM CST
as i said i have more large seed pods this year
so i decided to take picts this time
here is a Kaleidoscope seed pod that was pollinated with spotty dotty
Thumb of 2018-10-09/Strever/aff6d8
and the seed are in a goop that is really difficult to remove
Thumb of 2018-10-09/Strever/7dd8d8
but after a few minutes work 6 more seed of the Kaleidoscope/SpottyDotty
Thumb of 2018-10-09/Strever/4c8816
then i got a cpl of the Spotty Dotty seed pods pollinated with Kaleidoscope
as you can see the goop around the seed is not so gooey
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Thumb of 2018-10-09/Strever/2acab8

i have decided to try the seed in artificial this time hoping Smiling
SpottyDotty/Kaleidoscope seed
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Kaleidoscope/SpottyDotty seed
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i left 2 seed pods of each to see what happens leaving them longer on the plants
will update when i take them
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Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Plays in the sandbox Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter
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Pistil
Oct 9, 2018 9:21 PM CST
Keep us updated.
Do you think you could upload the pod/fruit and seed photos to the Podophyllum entry in the Plant Database?
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
Region: Pacific Northwest I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: California
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Strever
Oct 12, 2018 12:42 PM CST
Mary
i don't know why i didn't
i guess i'm getting forgetful in my old age :)
will do so

Pistil said:Keep us updated.
Do you think you could upload the pod/fruit and seed photos to the Podophyllum entry in the Plant Database?


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