Daylilies forum: DL fulva, i think I am in HUGE trouble!

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Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jul 31, 2017 8:54 AM CST
I got a couple of fans. I literally blinked and I have a 3x3' patch that is growing into my fancy hybrids. Is there a way to id the fulva by foliage? Since it's grown into other plants, i can't tell which is which. Pls tell me I don't have to take every DL out.
I was planning to take the fulva out when in bloom but since it was so crowded, fulva didn't produce flowers.
I was warned about how problematic fulva could be but i did not listen. Tell me there is a painless solution to this mess.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 31, 2017 9:05 AM CST
If it didn't produce flowers then you could try taking out every plant that is flowerless. The fulvas tend to have paler foliage but that's the only way I can think of to differentiate. Even if you dig everything up, if some rhizomes or parts of rhizomes still remain in the soil then they'll come right back. It may just be better to take out your fancy hybrids to a new bed, and leave that bed to the fulva (or go at it with herbicide after you've taken the others out).
Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jul 31, 2017 10:12 AM CST
Thank you. So herbicide will permanently kill? Good to know. After this fiasco, i will be very vocal about telling others not to plant H fulva with others.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 31, 2017 10:25 AM CST
Don't panic, just dig up all the ones you know are ditch lilies. Maybe just move the named varieties that are bordering the ditch lilies and then over the next couple of years you should be able to clear them all out. I panicked one day when I realized what was happening and rushed to get the shovel, I could not dig fast enough. It turned out ok, and was really not as bad as all the horror stories I had read.
Edited: I did not have to use herbicides.
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taylordaylily
Jul 31, 2017 11:07 AM CST
Good to see you Vossner. I had the same experience many years ago. I did the same as Larry, and dug out the fulva. It took several years before the pop ups ended. It's a common mistake, when the addiction hits, don't feel bad. Sue's herbicide tip, might shorten the pop up period. Good Luck!

How is Gizmo doing? I'd love to see him all grown up. He was a adorable, and mischievous kitten, the last time we spoke, on the other site.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 31, 2017 11:42 AM CST
vossner said:Thank you. So herbicide will permanently kill? Good to know. After this fiasco, i will be very vocal about telling others not to plant H fulva with others.


It may take more than one application of herbicide, and you'd need to find something that works on Hemerocallis fulva. Maybe someone can recommend something from experience, it's not something I have tried to do. I have mine in a spot far away from the other daylilies so they can do their thing as much as they want.

Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
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vossner
Jul 31, 2017 2:26 PM CST
Hello Taylor, impressive memory! Kozmo has turned out to be the most adorable and agreeable kitty. He gets along excellently with the two dogs and is not shy at all. He'll walk up to anybody with the "who are you and state your biz" rub.
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Athens, Ohio (Zone 6a)
mantisOH
Jul 31, 2017 2:34 PM CST
Fulva spreads by runners, so that should help in identification.
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sooby
Jul 31, 2017 3:01 PM CST
mantisOH said:Fulva spreads by runners, so that should help in identification.


Since the "runners" are actually rhizomes, though, so are below the soil surface you'd have to dig the plants up before you'd find out that they had them.

Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 31, 2017 4:01 PM CST
I think what she was saying was you could follow the "trail" so to speak. The runners would lead to another plant.
I am not sure they would all be connected to runners, but they might?
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taylordaylily
Jul 31, 2017 9:33 PM CST
Kizmo has grown up to be a gorgeous cat. Thank You! For sharing his picture, It's great seeing Kizmo all grown up. I remember him playing in your gardens, and being adorable. Lovey dubby My memory is great when it comes to my son, or animals, and daylilies. Hilarious! Everything else, I need written reminders, or I forget.
I got Kizmo's name wrong, there's a sample, of my mixed memory abilities. *Blush*

The first time you dig Fulva, the roots should all be attached by runners, from my experience. But, if ANY small fraction of a piece is left behind, new fans will develop, it might take a year, in this case you may not find long runners, if dug when the new fan first appears.
I can't speak about herbicide usage, since I don't use any in my gardens. I use a hori hori knife, and dig weeds. Due to the wildlife in my gardens, I avoid chemical usage. I don't think bad of those who do, we all have our own ways of doing things, as long you enjoy yourself, your golden.


Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Aug 1, 2017 4:51 AM CST
It took me a few years to get all of the fulva out of my daylily bed, but I haven't seen any new ones for a couple of years now. I did not use an herbicide, just monitored it very closely. I dug a few cultivars that I had in the area so I could keep a close watch on the area to make sure nothing came up.

I don't remember, but if I were moving them now, I would separate and wash each fan very well to make sure that no pieces of the fulva were hanging on the cultivar roots.
Vickie
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Name: Nancy
Bowling Green Kentucky (Zone 6b)
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alilyfan
Aug 1, 2017 8:46 AM CST
I dug out the fulva from a bed a few years ago & still come across one now & again. Happened this year after not seeing any last year. I cut it back & brushed a bit of weed killer on it. I hope I'll eventually get it all, but seems to be mostly gone now.

Kozmo needs my meet my Mocha, & Saffron too of course.




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Richmond TX (Zone 9a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
vossner
Aug 1, 2017 12:00 PM CST
Maybe they're related. kozmo was a rescue Smiling

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