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ryanonthebeach
Aug 5, 2017 7:28 AM CST
Hey, would appreciate help with this one. His hit a number of plants. Tomatoes, peppers, beans etc. See pic
It kills quite fast, older leaves brown and fall off, stems get attacked too.
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sooby
Aug 5, 2017 8:05 AM CST
Welcome!

The soil looks very light coloured, is that the regular garden soil? Is it mostly sand, and does it get salt from the sea? What have they been fertilized with? I'm not sure it is a disease, can you post pictures of the other affected plants too?
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RickCorey
Aug 7, 2017 2:34 PM CST
Hi Ryan

Wow that looks horrible!

My first guess was that, in order to look THAT sick, maybe it's already mostly dead from something (possibly even old age), and now it's totally given up on some leaves.

I couldn't guess among salt, buildup excess fertilizer, heat stress, repetitive drought stress in sand, or NASTY disease of leaves or roots or ???

Or even, though it doesn't LOOK it, herbicide burn.

Something so harmful as to make the plant vulnerable to lots of things.

Since it MIGHT be some awful disease, you might want to pull them and burn them, or seal in a plastic bag and throw away. Until you rule out disease, I wouldn't compost them.

Maybe a few more close up photos, and one or two from enough distance to see the patterns of damage to several plants, would let a Cape Cod specialist guess the problem.

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DaisyI
Aug 7, 2017 6:54 PM CST
Did you dig in any compost at all? It looks like you planted in concrete. I don't think you have a disease but incredibly nutrient deficient soil. I'm surprised your plants grew as much as they did.

Do you have other landscaping? If so, what did you do to the soil (sand) to keep them alive?
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Altheabyanothername
Aug 7, 2017 10:02 PM CST
Hi -- ryanonthebeach
If it's fast and the stems could be blight. Pictures struck me as blight. That being said everyone has valid points about the condition of soil and salt. Poor soil conditions produce poor growing conditions which can leave your plants more susceptible to disease. Rather than a downward picture if you could take some level pictures. Some pictures of stem and veggies affected.

I am very sorry about your plants, may the week end up on a better note for you.


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Philipwonel
Aug 8, 2017 7:25 AM CST
Blight. Or some diease transferred from one of the many stink bugs.
Did, or have you ever noticed any bugs ?
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ryanonthebeach
Aug 9, 2017 7:29 PM CST
Soil is beach sand on top, but usual vegetable garden soil under. It is near the ocean but doubt it's salt cause plant on the second floor (in pots, no sand) got it too. Also I've grown many in the same location no problem last season. So likely disease.
After reading up about blight it looks like it may be that.

Any suggestions to get rid of it?
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Altheabyanothername
Aug 9, 2017 7:55 PM CST
Blight will spread to any plant, even to neighbors. Pull up all diseased plants put in giant trash bags, seal tightly. Set in sun to solarizes then you can throw bag away. I do not know how many plants and what other landscaping you have. I would pull healthy plants that touch or are next to the blight ones. I do baking soda washes in the areas where there was blight. Careful not to splash it around you do not want to spread it. Then I would spray or pour on nearby plants as a precaution. But I am a baking soda kind of gardener and there may be disagreement on that. Every garden is different, and that is what works in mine.
@Philipwonel what do you do for blight?

Many blessings for help and success in dealing with this!
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Newyorkrita
Aug 9, 2017 8:55 PM CST
ryanonthebeach said:Soil is beach sand on top, but usual vegetable garden soil under. It is near the ocean but doubt it's salt cause plant on the second floor (in pots, no sand) got it too. Also I've grown many in the same location no problem last season. So likely disease.
After reading up about blight it looks like it may be that.

Any suggestions to get rid of it?


But tomato blight does not affect beans and your beans look pretty bad. Not sure what is going on.
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sooby
Aug 10, 2017 2:31 AM CST
Newyorkrita said:

But tomato blight does not affect beans and your beans look pretty bad. Not sure what is going on.


Rita is correct, there is not a single disease called "blight", there are many and they are specific to certain plants. It's rather unlikely you would get each plant's "blight" all at the same time although some may affect more than one kind of plant. Some blights are caused by bacteria, some by fungi, and some plants can get more than one different "blight" so the treatment wouldn't be the same for all, either.

What are the "etc." plants that are effected besides the tomatoes, peppers and beans?

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Philipwonel
Aug 10, 2017 6:36 AM CST
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Dang ! Sharon : thats a mouth full, and a half. Whistling
I don't know what to do for the blight. Past 3 years, i've lost my long beans. Shortly after they start producing. One by one plants die.
Some of my squash get it, some don't. Shrug!
Please ! Tell me baking soda will prevent it ?
How do i do it.
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Altheabyanothername
Aug 10, 2017 7:19 AM CST
Probably guilty of being a Southerner. When I see fast moving disease that the leaves looks like that, everyone here says Southern Blight. Actually they say blight, do not like to attach that Southern part. It also means to get the diseased plants out and contained. Due diligence for all plants around, treat your soil. For the most part it does not care what vegetable or landscape plant you are.

So maybe this is not the south, but in this day and age who knows where the soil or plants came from (they are in soil), or what a neighbor or landscape company did.

I did ask for more pictures.

I think the right thing to do is get all the diseased plants out, tightly bagged, and check all surrounding plants and treat soil.

I am sorry I did forget.....
@ryanonthebeach Please call your county extension office.

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sooby
Aug 10, 2017 9:15 AM CST
Well yes, if you're talking specifically about Southern blight (which is caused by the fungus Sclerotium rolfsii) it can affect many different kinds of plants. I wouldn't have thought it likely to attack plants in pots on a balcony though unless garden soil was used. Yes, more pictures would be helpful.

Edited to add some pictures from Google of "Southern blight" - the problem doesn't look like that to me but if you see the characteristic "mustard seeds" at the base of the plants then that would be diagnostic but seems unlikely in Massachusetts:

https://www.google.ca/search?q...
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crawgarden
Aug 10, 2017 9:21 AM CST
You can also get salt, from the winds if you live near the ocean.
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sooby
Aug 10, 2017 9:26 AM CST
crawgarden said:You can also get salt, from the winds if you live near the ocean.


Yes, from spray. The problem does look more environmental to me.

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crawgarden
Aug 10, 2017 9:40 AM CST
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Altheabyanothername
Aug 10, 2017 10:42 AM CST
@sooby
My main concern was to stop any spread. Here diseases spread like wildfire, especially blight. Maybe here in the South we easily say blight because it's treatment fixes a range of other problems. Was the same soil or plant supplier used? But even if they were not, I draw on my food background and say " cross contamination." That is mainly used as a food prep term, it should be heavily applied to gardens. Whether it is wind currents, wind blowing soil or plant pieces, insects, pollinators, rodents feet or carrying objects, landscapers amongst other things their leaf blowers and wheels on mowers, gardener's hands, feet, or tools. etc.. What about water or soil particles in water being a vector, if you water the balcony, it's soil or plant was the first to have it and it runs below? My list is probably excessive, and I thank God that probably 99.9% of the time none of that occurs. It is just a bummer when it does.

Could be salt damage, but if wrong I worried it would continue to spread. I liked environmental issue as a cause. Again it took me back to weakened plants being susceptible. Maybe both play a part.

I do not mean to diminish or discount your approach because it is very vital. You are very knowledgeable. I applaud and understand your concern to accurately diagnose the problem, that is the ONLY way to fix it in the future. Thumbs up

Many blessings for everyone's success!


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greene
Aug 10, 2017 11:07 AM CST
ryanonthebeach said:Soil is beach sand on top, but usual vegetable garden soil under.

Any suggestions to get rid of it?



Get rid of the beach sand and stick with just the "usual vegetable garden soil". Beach sand is for beaches; veggie soil is for veggies.

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Altheabyanothername
Aug 11, 2017 10:49 AM CST
@RickCorey

Thank You! for the acorn!

May you be blessed with a totally Wonderful Weekend!
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