Plant ID forum: Spotted Beebalm (Monarda punctata); Texas wildflower

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Name: Marylyn
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Dec 28, 2011 3:13 PM CST
Hi! I was at a camp in east Texas with my daughter and saw this neat plant. I posted it... somewhere... but I can't find the thread anymore. I'm pretty sure it's a monarda, but can you tell me which one? I'm playing with my photos and posting the (few) interesting ones I have in the database.






Name: Marylyn
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Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM CST
A couple more pics... Such a neat plant!!


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Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
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Horntoad
Dec 28, 2011 3:47 PM CST
I think it is Monarda punctata
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Name: Sandi
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Bubbles
Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM CST
I think you have your ID now, but if you want to find the thread you posted in, there's a box on the side of the TX Gardening page that lets you search for a particular word. I typed in monarda and didn't find your name, but others in TX Gard. You can extend your search to other forums too. And you can search your own posts on your profile page under Actions.
Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Dec 28, 2011 7:02 PM CST
Thanks, Sandi. I don't remember which website I was even in. LOL
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Bubbles
Dec 28, 2011 7:28 PM CST
Okay, I now think you may be suffering from serious plant forums overload! Not sure I can help you any further. The good news is I loved that monarda photo. I received quite a few different ones at a swap in Louisiana. After the first blooming of them, they all croaked (just melted away). I think it is too hot and dry for them here. I will just enjoy the photos of those who can successfully grow them.
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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frostweed
Dec 28, 2011 8:27 PM CST
Marylyn, Monarda punctuta, Spotted Beebalm really fits.
http://wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=MOPU
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Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Dec 28, 2011 8:28 PM CST
Bubbles said:Okay, I now think you may be suffering from serious plant forums overload!


I think you may be right!! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Dec 28, 2011 8:29 PM CST
Thank you, Josephine and Jay! Smiling
Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Dec 28, 2011 9:00 PM CST
Josephine, your link points to
"Monarda punctata L.
Spotted beebalm, Spotted horsemint, Horsemint
Lamiaceae (Mint Family)
Synonyms: Monarda punctata ssp. Villicaulis"

There is an entry for "Monarda punctata" and an entry for "Monarda punctata ssp. Villicaulis" in the database. Should I put my photos in both, or just one, do you think? Should I be asking this in the plant database forum instead of in here?

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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Dec 28, 2011 9:31 PM CST
They list Monarda punctata ssp. Villicaulis as a synonym for M. punctata and should not be listed in the database. USDA list a Monarda punctata ssp. punctata var. villicaulis but it is not even shown to exist in Texas.
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Dec 28, 2011 9:40 PM CST
I just did a little more reading on it and USDA list 2 subspecies of M. punctata.
Monarda punctata ssp. immaculata and Monarda punctata ssp. punctata.
Monarda punctata ssp. punctata is further divided into 8 different vars. It would be best to just list it under Monarda punctata and not worry about ssp. or vars.
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Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Dec 28, 2011 9:54 PM CST
Oh, good. Thank you, Jay!! Smiling
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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frostweed
Dec 28, 2011 10:36 PM CST
I agree with Jay, keep it simple. Smiling
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LindaTX8
Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM CST
I do that also!
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BettyDee
Jan 5, 2012 1:03 PM CST
For a few years after we moved to the ranch, we had wall to wall Monarda punctata. It was so thick that it kept grass from growing underneath. Walking or driving through it released a wonderful aroma into the air. I know the odor is described as somewhat like oregano or thyme, but to me in those large quantities, there was an under tone of lemon.
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Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Jan 5, 2012 4:06 PM CST
Sounds heavenly, BettyDee!
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Jan 5, 2012 11:27 PM CST
That sounds wonderful!!!
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JRsbugs
Jan 6, 2012 7:45 AM CST
A list of what is and what isn't accepted on Itis, search for Monarda punctata selecting scientific name.

http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt

I also think you would need to keep it to the simple species unless you can show it is a variety.

Monarda punctata var. villicaulis is accepted, Monarda punctata ssp. punctata var. villicaulis is a synonym.

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gardengus
Jan 6, 2012 7:13 PM CST
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I grew the spotted bee balm for the first time this year and found it to be a wonderful garden addition .
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