Plant Database forum: Siberian Iris search

Page 1 of 3 • 1 2 3
Views: 1249, Replies: 45 » Jump to the end
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Tropicals Foliage Fan Bulbs Hummingbirder Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Image
eclayne
Dec 31, 2011 11:02 AM CST

Plants Admin

I tested the search "siberian iris" looking for Iris (Iris 'Swank') Siberian Iris (Iris 'Swank')

As the only Common Name is Iris, and Classification notes Siberian, I assume this is why Swank, and likely many others don't show up. Is that right Dave?

Common searches might be "siberian iris", "japanese iris",... Even "bearded iris" or "beardless iris" could be helpful search parameters. Even though the advanced search function in beta can deal with this, shouldn't a basic search deal with this as well?

How should this be corrected?
Evan
[Last edited by eclayne - Jan 1, 2012 12:37 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #196183 (1)
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
Image
PollyK
Jan 1, 2012 11:54 AM CST
Great, thanks. I had not even noticed that. I'm sure Dave can fix.
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Image
dave
Jan 1, 2012 12:08 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

The text search is searching through the names (Cultivars, commons, and latins). The only common name for this plant is "Iris" and the word "siberian" is nowhere is any of the names.

The way to get this resolved is to add "Siberian Iris" as a common name. Then it will show up in searches. But that begs the question: is "Siberian Iris" a suitable secondary common name for this?
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
Image
PollyK
Jan 1, 2012 12:12 PM CST
Yes.
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Image
dave
Jan 1, 2012 1:47 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

I can write a script to put "Siberian Iris" as a common name for all plants that have "Classification: Siberian" checked off. That won't get done immediately, but early this week.
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
Image
PollyK
Jan 1, 2012 1:54 PM CST
Wonderful. Thank you!

Thank you, Evan for noticing this.
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Tropicals Foliage Fan Bulbs Hummingbirder Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Image
eclayne
Jan 1, 2012 5:29 PM CST

Plants Admin

Thumbs up I have to say Dave that I love scripts and that you can resolve this in one fell swoop. Phew.
Can you do the same for Classification: Japanese (Ensata) for a "japanese iris" search? *Blush*
Evan
[Last edited by eclayne - Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #196700 (7)
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
Image
PollyK
Jan 1, 2012 8:05 PM CST
Capitalize Japanese please, even in a search. That's something AIS determined a long time ago. Japanese is always capitalized.

I don't understand scripts, but I think I love them, too.

Thanks so much Dave, for everything you're doing for us.
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Image
dave
Jan 1, 2012 8:11 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

Okay, I'll do it for Japanese as well as Siberians. Any others?
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
Image
PollyK
Jan 1, 2012 8:36 PM CST
Can I have a bit to think? I can't think of any off hand. Certainly not any there would be a lot of.

Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
Sunset Zone 15
Region: California Plant Database Moderator Roses Irises Clematis Garden Photography
Cottage Gardener Keeper of Poultry Hummingbirder Bee Lover Butterflies Birds
Image
Calif_Sue
Jan 2, 2012 2:30 PM CST

Plants Admin

How about all the different iris classifications, like Tall Bearded, Standard Dwarf, etc. etc. Right now there is one person that is just proposing those as a secondary common name one at a time.
My gardening Blog!
Hand sewn wares and vintage finds in my Etsy store. Summer Song Cottage
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Tropicals Foliage Fan Bulbs Hummingbirder Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Image
eclayne
Jan 2, 2012 3:08 PM CST

Plants Admin

Been thinking some more. What if:

A predefined search of an iris "classification" name brought up a message redirecting to the advanced search function.

ex. a search for "tall bearded" or "Tall Bearded" resulted in a message like "Please use our advanced search here (hyperlink)."
Evan
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Image
dave
Jan 2, 2012 3:11 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

I have some hesitations about doing those kinds of things. I'd rather use the fields we have in order to make this as simple as possible. The experience will be better for everyone.

Calif_Sue said:Right now there is one person that is just proposing those as a secondary common name one at a time.


This is the kind of thing that scripts are made for. Nobody should have to do something like this one at a time if it can be done all at once by me.
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
Sunset Zone 15
Region: California Plant Database Moderator Roses Irises Clematis Garden Photography
Cottage Gardener Keeper of Poultry Hummingbirder Bee Lover Butterflies Birds
Image
Calif_Sue
Jan 2, 2012 3:12 PM CST

Plants Admin

It can be as easy as we have the rose one set up right now, you just click on the criteria as found in the database entries, like for roses, if you only want to search hybrid teas, that is what you check off
http://garden.org/plants/group/roses/search/

So the same thing can be done for iris, a simple check for the class you want to limit your search to.
My gardening Blog!
Hand sewn wares and vintage finds in my Etsy store. Summer Song Cottage
[Last edited by Calif_Sue - Jan 2, 2012 3:14 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #197036 (14)
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
Sunset Zone 15
Region: California Plant Database Moderator Roses Irises Clematis Garden Photography
Cottage Gardener Keeper of Poultry Hummingbirder Bee Lover Butterflies Birds
Image
Calif_Sue
Jan 2, 2012 3:13 PM CST

Plants Admin

see, what Dave said. Green Grin!
My gardening Blog!
Hand sewn wares and vintage finds in my Etsy store. Summer Song Cottage
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Tropicals Foliage Fan Bulbs Hummingbirder Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Image
eclayne
Jan 2, 2012 3:43 PM CST

Plants Admin

Intuitive and simple is always best. Thumbs up

Your talking about the "advanced" Rose search aren't you Sue? My comment was about the "standard search". The advanced search already does this. Check Siberian or Tall Bearded and voila!

1. If a script could fill in "Siberian Iris" as a secondary common name for all entries that have -Classification: Siberian- that's great. Sounds like you could do the same for all of the Iris classifications. Some have several entries under Classification, usually the -Interspecies Hybrids---Species X-

2. Can a script also add "Siberian Iris" as a secondary common name for all entries that have sibirica as species? That will take care of most of the siberians. Can a script then delete sibirica from the species field for all of these? I can then recreate -Iris sibirica- which is a single entry.
Evan
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Image
dave
Jan 2, 2012 4:27 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

Yes, that is all possible, Evan.
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Tropicals Foliage Fan Bulbs Hummingbirder Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Image
eclayne
Jan 2, 2012 5:04 PM CST

Plants Admin

eclayne said:Intuitive and simple is always best. Thumbs up

1. ...Sounds like you could do the same for all of the Iris classifications...



Thanks Dave.
I should have written "...Sounds like you could do the same for MOST of the Iris classifications...

I don't think it's appropriate for the species crosses. Polly needs to weigh in on all this.
Evan
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member Plant Database Moderator Forum moderator Aroids Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Tropicals Foliage Fan Bulbs Hummingbirder Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Image
eclayne
Jan 2, 2012 6:17 PM CST

Plants Admin

How about a script to add the -species "ensata"- to entries with -Classification: Japanese (Ensata)-.
Evan
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
Image
PollyK
Jan 2, 2012 8:26 PM CST
I agree with everything. And there are very few species crosses. Let's handle those individually?

Page 1 of 3 • 1 2 3

« Garden.org Homepage
« Back to the top
« Forums List
« Plant Database forum
You must first create a username and login before you can reply to this thread.

Today's site banner is by dirtdorphins and is called "Lilium 'Pink Perfection'"