Roses forum: Floribunda identification

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Northridge_CA
Aug 24, 2017 10:20 AM CST
Does anyone know the name of this rose? Thanks!
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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Aug 24, 2017 11:16 AM CST
It's a very interesting color transition. I eagerly await hearing the answer.

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MargieNY
Aug 24, 2017 7:21 PM CST
Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale???
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Protoavis
Aug 24, 2017 11:00 PM CST
Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale has a pale reverse. The op photo looks like the color goes through the whole petal.
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MargieNY
Aug 24, 2017 11:14 PM CST
Protoavis said:Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale has a pale reverse. The op photo looks like the color goes through the whole petal.


Excellent point!

Northridge_CA
Aug 25, 2017 8:01 AM CST
Thanks for your responses.

Northridge_CA
Sep 7, 2017 12:24 PM CST
I have been digging around on Google. I think it may be 'Caribbean Breeze'.

Any thoughts?
Name: Steve
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Steve812
Sep 7, 2017 3:44 PM CST
Are the buds quite a bit more yellow, or do they open orange?
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Sep 7, 2017 9:51 PM CST

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I don't see it. Shrug!
Rose (Rosa 'Caribbean Breeze')
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Sep 8, 2017 8:44 AM CST
There are some color similarities, but the Caribbean Breeze pictured at HMF seems to have a radically different flower shape. I see a flattish blossom in the photo above; but CB at HMF is very spherical in shape.

One of the landmark features on the blossoms of the unidentified rose is a little spur or tooth on each petal. This is not a very common feature in roses. Sunsprite has such a spur. I see one on the petals of Charisma, too. Maybe there is a hint of one on Brothers Grimm. Charisma has a very flat blossom presentation like the rose photographed. And it makes red and yellow pigments that behave in a way consistent with what is photographed; but the buds can be very yellow without a hint of red. And it is only for brief moments in time that it could look like the illustration.

Here's an illustration of Charisma that reminds me of the photo of the unidentified rose.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...

I respect Protoavis' expertise; but I'm a bit surprised that he is able to see the color of the back side of the petals by viewing all the petals from from the front unless, maybe, that light yellowish color in the center (upper right) flower is from one petal's reverse turned toward the camera. And if it were, then as he suggests, it would be more evidence that this is Brothers Grimm. I'm certainly not ready to rule out that possibility.

The color palette, and flower shape are powerfully suggestive of BG.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...

It would help if we knew something about how old the plant is likely to be.Maybe what its size and habit are.If the flowers start out yellow and blush from the tips or if they start out reddish orange and fade. And, of course, if the flower reverse were a paler color.

BTW: Northridge_CA, thanks for posting! It's spurred me to look more closely at my own recently planted Charisma and it has encouraged me to examine photos of BG online. I wasn't sure that BG would be on my planting list for next year before doing this work, now I'm pretty sure it will be.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Sep 8, 2017 9:22 PM CST
Steve ... it was your mention of the "little spur" that made me think of 'Pure Poetry'. Here are a couple of photos from our database. What do you think ?



This is a photo from HMF that really shows the spur

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...

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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Sep 9, 2017 3:45 PM CST
Wow, Lyn, That is one beautiful rose. Kudos, Sue ,for capturing its beauty so effectively.

It does thave the same distinctive spur on the petals. My first impression, based on Sue's photo, was that this is a different rose owing to the organization of the open flower and the more intense orange color; but I agree that the photo at HMF is quite a lot like the one above.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Sep 9, 2017 6:02 PM CST
Steve ...

Even 'Pure Poetry' would be a tricky rose to identify just from photos of the bloom. Here's a link to the rose page in the NGA database:

Rose (Rosa 'Pure Poetry')

You can see that the bloom form varies and the colors change, too. The only thing that was consistent was that "little spur" ... Smiling

It's a beautiful rose. It's a Keith Zary rose and should be coming out of patent. I hope it becomes available again. It has thick petal substance ... Smiling

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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Sep 9, 2017 6:07 PM CST

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Do you have any additional photos, like buds and when they first open. Rose (Rosa 'Gebrueder Grimm') can look like that past it's peak, see all the additional photos. Photo of foliage would help too. Brother Grimm has very glossy green leaves.
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MargieNY
Sep 9, 2017 6:24 PM CST

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MargieNY
Sep 9, 2017 7:45 PM CST
Sue stated: " Rose (Rosa 'Gebrueder Grimm') can look like that past it's peak, see all the additional photos."

I agree.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Sep 9, 2017 10:35 PM CST
Lovely photos, Margie .... I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Sep 23, 2017 12:46 PM CST
Great photos, Margie.

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