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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Aug 25, 2017 10:16 AM CST
I saw a sale ad in our local newspaper today (from a local plant nursery) advertising Hollywood™ Hibiscus ... which led me to our database to hopefully find photos of the names listed in the ad. When I searched the database I didn't find any listings showing the trademark HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS and it's possible that I didn't search correctly but here's the link to the website I found showing the collection: http://www.hollywoodhibiscus.c...

I don't find listings in our database for any of the following cultivars in the Hollywood Series and I didn't attempt to enter them because I wasn't sure about the trademark and ppaf notations but I wondered if they should be included in our database or are they not yet considered legitimate names because the patent is pending?

HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS CHATTY CATHY™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS DISCO DIVA™
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS FIRST TO ARRIVE™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS FIRST TO FLIRT™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS JOLLY POLLY™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS STARSTRUCK™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS STARLETTE™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS RUNWAY BEAUTY™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS GOLD DIGGER™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS GOSSIP QUEEN™ PPAF
HOLLYWOOD™ HIBISCUS RUNWAY BEAUTY™ PPAF

I found a few named cultivars in our database with the same name but I'm assuming they are different plants because the blooms were different than the photos of those listed in the Hollywood series. For instance, our listing for Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Bombshell') although there are currently no photos, the data states the bloom color as Bi-Color Orange and yellow. The trademarked Hollywood series shows a photo and describes the bloom as Ruffled Red: http://www.hollywoodhibiscus.c...

We have a database listing for Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Hot Shot') but there are no photos and no bloom color listed so I'm not sure if it's the same plant as the Hollywood series Hot Shot depicted here: http://www.hollywoodhibiscus.c...

We also have a listing for Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Best Friend') whose bloom is a totally different shape and color than the one in the Hollywood series. Our only database photo is from Hidden Valley Hibiscus (a well respected nurseryman/vendor) whose website description of 'Best Friend' states, orange flower with a gold edge, star shaped bright white eye and fuchsia halo around the eye. The Hollywood trademark plant with the name Best Friend is totally different with a double ruffled, Tangerine color bloom: http://www.hollywoodhibiscus.c... so these certainly must be two different plants.

Anyway, sorry for all my rambling ... I'm just wondering if any of those in the Hollywood Series should be added to our database?




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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Aug 25, 2017 10:55 AM CST
I can't help with the individual plants and their flower colors (though I admire your attention to detail), but a couple of observations about the patents and trademarks.

There is a cultivar of Hibiscus called "Hollywood" patented under that name

https://patents.google.com/pat...

And I am connecting the dots here but guessing that cultivar is related to the varieties you mentioned. In any case it seems problematic that the "Hollywood Hibiscus" would also be trademarked. Those two legal functions are distinct and a trademark on the cultivar name is actually invalidated when it's put into common use as the name for the plant. (Like the word escalator.)

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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Aug 25, 2017 11:21 AM CST
I'm not sure if they are related or not. I see that we have a few cultivars listed in our database with the name 'Hollywood'; no patent info shown on them but maybe we don't list patent info in the database.

Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Hollywood')
Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Hollywood White')
Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Hollywood Starlet')
Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis 'Barry's Hollywood')
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Aug 25, 2017 11:30 AM CST

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Here's the best source for checking the cultivar names of tropical hibiscuses:

http://www.internationalhibisc...
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 25, 2017 11:35 AM CST

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Unfortunately this is a fairly common occurrence where a trade or series name are the same as a cultivar name. The Hibiscus 'Hollywood' is likely unrelated to the trademarked series Hollywood™. 'Hollywood' is a Barry Schlueter invention whereas at least a few of the Hollywood™ series are inventions of Robert Lannes. See J. Berry Nursery page where a few of the plants in the series are patented. and can be researched.
http://www.jberrynursery.com/o...
I don't have time to dig into this at the moment but this may provide some clues.
A quick patent search for Hibiscus inventions by Lannes yielded the following:
1 PP26,091 Hibiscus plant named `Lanseine`
2 PP26,090 Hibiscus plant named `Lanloire`
3 PP25,678 Hibiscus plant named `Lanred`
4 PP25,662 Hibiscus plant named `Lansabine`
5 PP25,661 Hibiscus plant named `Landrasos`
6 PP25,660 Hibiscus plant named `Lanlampasas`
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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 25, 2017 11:38 AM CST

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Thanks for the link!
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Aug 25, 2017 12:08 PM CST

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Actually, Hollywood was a Tony Kuhn creation. The Schlueter hibiscus is called Barry's Hollywood.

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