Daylilies forum: Picked my first pod today.

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Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Aug 26, 2017 9:57 AM CST
My first pod split today so I have my very first home made seeds! Hurray!

There were only 6 seeds in it but six is six! They all look firm and healthy and black. I have put them in a paper envelope and put then inside to dry for a few days and then they go in the fridge in a little plastic bag--is that right?

It was a cross between Aquamarine and Star Child, I was a little surprised there were so few seeds as I was thinking dips. generally produce more but I have another pod of the same cross and a couple with Star Child as pod parent and Aquamarine as pollen donater.

Then again, with the pretty much constant rain here I am rather surprised and pleased that anything took.

Thinking ahead for next year, after pollinating should I cover the top of the pistil (stamen?) so that if it rains after pollinating it can't wash off the pollen.

Also, none of the ones I tried with chilled or frozen pollen have worked, what do the rest of you do who also have a lot of rain to get dry pollen, bearing in mind that it has rained almost every day since May here?

Fingers crossed for my other pods, and drier weather next year! Crossing Fingers!
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
Aug 26, 2017 10:10 AM CST
That is how I handled my seeds last year.

I haven't tried frozen pollen yet, but this year I did collect pollen on dry days and kept it for a few days, just at room temperature. I had success with it.

I have never covered a flower after pollinating, and am curious about the answer. I had a poorer pollination rate this year (wet and cool), compared to last (hot and dry).
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
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Scatterbrain
Aug 26, 2017 10:27 AM CST
@touchofsky--Hi Valerie, I'm hoping for more in the other pods so that I can send some to you in return for the ones you kindly sent to me.

I'll feel awful if I haven't any to send when you were so generous.
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
Aug 26, 2017 1:50 PM CST
@ Scatterbrain

I hope you have more seeds per pod than what you want to plant, but if you don't, please don't worry about it.

Just to show you the discrepancy in the number of seeds per pod (these are all dips, btw, I did do tet crosses, too), last year I harvested 18 seeds with both the Dragons Eye x Clouds of Kisses and Jocelyn's Oddity x Pony cross, and with the Siloam Virginia Henson x Dragons Eye cross I harvested 40 seeds from 2 pods. Many others had between 6 and 18 seeds, but then a few had just one or two seeds. Just for comparison, I got 18 seeds with Dragons Eye x Clouds of Kisses and just 1 seed with Seal of Approval x Clouds of Kisses (at least it grew!).

However, the winner had to be Dream Blue x Baby Blue Eyes. One pod had 32 seeds. The most amazing part of that is that I knocked the pod off before it was mature. I was weeding and backed into it. I brought it in the house and rigged it up so that the bottom of the pod was touching water in a small glass. It matured that way and produced 32 seeds. I started 6 seeds and ended up with 4 plants to plant in the seedling bed this spring.

I decided last spring to only start 6 seeds of any cross, just because I didn't want to have to dig too many seedling beds. It turned out that I ended up with 147 seedlings and had to dig two seedling beds.

This year, I would like to only have one new seedling bed, but I don't know if I will have the discipline to do that when seed starting time rolls around!

Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Aug 26, 2017 2:33 PM CST
@touchofsky,

Thanks, Valerie, for that info. I never realised that you could ripen pods that way. I've written it into my gardening journal in case I need it next year. Did you ripen it under lights or on a windowsill at all?

I also never realised there could be as many as 32 seeds in a pod--that's pretty amazing!

I'll let you know if I get more in the other pods. As you know, I am on a learning curve so I will be satisfied with even just a couple of plants from my own seed to begin with!
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Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
Aug 26, 2017 2:39 PM CST
I checked the tet crosses and the winner last year was Minted Halo x Spacecoast Technical Knock Out with 19 seeds.
Name: Ken
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CaliFlowers
Aug 26, 2017 2:51 PM CST
My earliest-harvested pods are usually flaky; quite a few with low seed counts, some shriveled/soft seed. I think it's because weather hasn't warmed up at the time I'm making the first crosses.

After harvesting, I leave the pods intact until they're dried noticeably; thin and crispy. I feel the reason for drying daylily seeds at all is to let the attachment point scar shrivel naturally before storage, in order to prevent contamination.

I know a lot of people do it, but I don't like to store seeds nekkid in plastic bags.

Up until now, I've been refrigerating my most interesting "can't wait" crosses in wet manila coin envelopes, segregated by cross, in ZipLoc baggies. I'll plant them 5 or 6 weeks later. The rest are going in dry coin envelopes. I'll wet them 6 weeks before sowing time.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Aug 26, 2017 3:04 PM CST
@Califlowers,

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your post, so I should put the paper envelope with the seeds inside into the plastic bags and then put the bags into the fridge?

What do you think I should do in our wet climate after pollinating a bloom? I have seen where some people put silver foil over the pistil (is it called a pistil or a stamen?) --do you think I should do that next year?

We do have incredibly wet weather in general and a lot of flying insects after the pollen.

Thanks again. Thank You!
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Aug 27, 2017 1:29 AM CST
Scatterbrain said:@Califlowers,

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your post, so I should put the paper envelope with the seeds inside into the plastic bags and then put the bags into the fridge?


Yes. The seeds should be dry (but still fresh & plump) for long-term storage. Six weeks before sowing date, put about 1.5 to 2 cm water in the plastic bag for about 20 minutes, then dump out the excess. Keep them refrigerated until sowing time. The envelopes I use are manila coin envelopes, approximately 57 x 110 mm.


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Scatterbrain said:What do you think I should do in our wet climate after pollinating a bloom? I have seen where some people put silver foil over the pistil (is it called a pistil or a stamen?) --do you think I should do that next year?

We do have incredibly wet weather in general and a lot of flying insects after the pollen.


I've heard of people putting foil over the pistil after pollination, but I've never tried it myself. It doesn't rain all summer here.

Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
Dog Lover Cat Lover Rabbit Keeper Container Gardener
Scatterbrain
Aug 27, 2017 1:53 AM CST
@califlowers--thanks, Ken!
Name: Nancy
Bowling Green Kentucky (Zone 6b)
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alilyfan
Aug 27, 2017 7:09 AM CST
Sounds like you have made a good start on a very addictive hobby! You got some great advice, now you just need patience - which I have little!
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Aug 27, 2017 10:00 AM CST
One other thing, which will go a long way toward successful seed storage & sprouting. Take a few seconds to get rid of dodgy seeds. I winnow them by passing them from palm to palm, blowing lightly over them. The empty husks and lighter, defective seeds will end up on the floor or between your fingers. A gentle squeeze will confirm if a seed is good enough to keep. No point in having infertile or otherwise defective seeds rotting in your envelopes–you'll get enough random rotters anyway.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
Dog Lover Cat Lover Rabbit Keeper Container Gardener
Scatterbrain
Aug 28, 2017 7:41 AM CST
@CaliFlowers--thanks again, Ken.

Is that what they mean by the 'pinch test'?
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
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JamesT
Aug 28, 2017 12:16 PM CST
Hi Nikki, yes, that's the pinch test. You don't need to pinch hard, but seeds with "give" to them will go bad eventually.

To protect pistils, I just wrap a small (1" x 1/2") rectangle of foil around a piece of 3/32" wire, drill bit, welding rod, or screwdriver shaft, then fold over the end.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
Dog Lover Cat Lover Rabbit Keeper Container Gardener
Scatterbrain
Aug 28, 2017 1:25 PM CST
@JamesT--thanks James!

Will try that next year-esp.if we get another repeat of this year's weather!

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