Peonies forum: Red Charm?

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Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3b)
Cat Lover
Aug 29, 2017 3:18 PM CST
Last year (spring 2016) I received a small root of Red Charm from a Lithuanian nursery and was nicely surprised with its look.
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I have a book on peony species and this root resembles P. tenuifolia though Red Charm has lactiflora and officinalis in its parentage. The peony did not bloom this year and I don't know if it blooms next summer, it is still small. Recently I received a root of Red Charm from another nursery and it looks "normal". I am intrigued about Red Charm. What is real? I guess the flowers will tell but I wonder if someone can tell from looking at a root.

Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
Peonies Ponds Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Permaculture
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Aug 29, 2017 4:01 PM CST
there is some debate on the parentage of Red Charm. the APS says Officinalis x lactiflora, but several nurseries say it is a cross with peregrina. Either way lactiflora x species. It is a great favorite of mine.
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
Charter ATP Member
Aug 29, 2017 4:17 PM CST
I will leave it to the experts but the semi-detached roots on the red charm are typical of a P.tenuifolia but that is not all that precise. Wait until it blooms.

Added: 3 major vendors have 'Red Charm' for sale.
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Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3b)
Cat Lover
Aug 29, 2017 4:56 PM CST
Jerry, that's what I thought! Although the leaves of this Red Charm are not of tenuifolia, look "normal". On the other hand I bought P.tenuifolia rubra plena from the same Lithuanian guy in Spring 2016 which started to grow, was tiny with fern-like leaves and "successfully" died out pretty quickly. The photo of its root is here
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I ordered fern-leaf rubra plena from Fina this year and anxiously wait for it Smiling Will see how its root looks like.

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