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Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Sep 1, 2017 3:31 PM CST
I am new here and so far really enjoying myself. Nice to find a bunch of other semp lovers.

Currently I have 51 different named varieties and 2 NOIDS and I was wondering if that is a lot and how many the rest of you have.

Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Sep 1, 2017 4:36 PM CST
I may be the opposite of you, Melissa. Not sure on the numbers, but I think I have more than 51 NOids and probably the smallest number of cultivars of the whole PNW semp-loving group. My numbers will change as we approach the end of the year and the seasons definitely take their toll. Of course there's also shopping to be done before the end of the year too...

I also think "a lot" or "a little" are relative terms. I used to think I had too many when maintenance and making labels for all the named specimens became overwhelming tasks. And there are some people here that have almost a thousand cultivars. Do you think that would be considered "a lot"?
Name: Michael
Darmstadt, Hessen, Germany
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parttimegardener
Sep 2, 2017 5:30 AM CST
I currently have about 180 semps in my collection, about half of them being NOIDs, then about 25 selected seedlings started either this or last year, and 2000 of this year's seedlings and 1000+ spares (the latter do not really count...). I'm currently not planning on expanding my collection. I prefer to save the space for next year's seedlings. Last year's non-selected seedlings just found a new home in Italy.

My collection is big enough to find something worth capturing in a photo every time I get out with my camera, but small enough to fit our balcony.

Still it is tiny compared to Martin Haberer's collection where most of my named varieties are coming from. He has more than 3000 named
varieties in his collection and Andre Smits in Belgium is supposed to have more than double that amount.

Below I reposted some photos of Martin's collection.

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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Sep 2, 2017 9:10 AM CST
Not sure how many I have but I too love to photograph when walking the garden. Seems like there is always something worthy of a picture.
Michael, how does Martin have his semps categorized? Amazing alll in 4 inch pots.
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Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Sep 2, 2017 9:53 AM CST
Amazing seeing Martin's collection...Thanks for sharing that, Michael. I can see why Kevin says there's no football size semps as it looks like space can be an issue over there.
Name: Michael
Darmstadt, Hessen, Germany
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parttimegardener
Sep 2, 2017 11:48 AM CST
He keeps named varieties in alphabetical order. Natural species are kept in groups also in alphabetical order. Heuffs and rollers are kept separately. Being kept in 4" pots for years many cultivars are smaller than they could be. Martin does not keep any of his semp in the ground although his collection "just" occupies half his garden.
The size of his semps is not that important to him.
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Sep 2, 2017 1:47 PM CST
webesemps said:I may be the opposite of you, Melissa. Not sure on the numbers, but I think I have more than 51 NOids and probably the smallest number of cultivars of the whole PNW semp-loving group. My numbers will change as we approach the end of the year and the seasons definitely take their toll. Of course there's also shopping to be done before the end of the year too...

I also think "a lot" or "a little" are relative terms. I used to think I had too many when maintenance and making labels for all the named specimens became overwhelming tasks. And there are some people here that have almost a thousand cultivars. Do you think that would be considered "a lot"?


Yeah, I think I would probably consider 1,000 or more a lot. But I guess it is all a matter of your perspective.

That is a lot of plants to take care of,
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Sep 2, 2017 1:49 PM CST
parttimegardener said:I currently have about 180 semps in my collection, about half of them being NOIDs, then about 25 selected seedlings started either this or last year, and 2000 of this year's seedlings and 1000+ spares (the latter do not really count...). I'm currently not planning on expanding my collection. I prefer to save the space for next year's seedlings. Last year's non-selected seedlings just found a new home in Italy.

My collection is big enough to find something worth capturing in a photo every time I get out with my camera, but small enough to fit our balcony.

Still it is tiny compared to Martin Haberer's collection where most of my named varieties are coming from. He has more than 3000 named
varieties in his collection and Andre Smits in Belgium is supposed to have more than double that amount.

Below I reposted some photos of Martin's collection.

Thumb of 2016-05-02/parttimegardener/d4e197 Thumb of 2016-05-02/parttimegardener/812066


OK, that fills my definiation a "LOT".

Glad to see I am not the only person that is constantly photographing my plants. I go out and start shooting and take a long a clip board and write down the name in the order I take the shots so when I download them I actually know which photo is which.

And I have to admit that one of my favorite things is to just fool around with my semps. Pulling off dead leaves, planting babies, watering, etc.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Sep 2, 2017 3:17 PM CST
Looks great and yes they're easy to photograph, always something interesting!!
When keeping these in pots it is so important to find the right potting mix combo for your specific location!!
Plus I don't water everyday so in pots in the summer they dry out, I decided using windowboxes was the thing for me, gives them extra soil so takes longer to dry out!
I tip my hat to you.

Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Sep 2, 2017 3:25 PM CST
I have been using Miracle Grow Moisture Control and they seem to like it.

I don't water them daily. Maybe give them a light sprinkle every 4 days or so when it is stinking hot.

I can usually tell by looking at them when they need a drink. They start to just sort of shrivel up. Looks pretty sad.

But not as bad as when they get too much water and rot. Gross.
Name: Kate
NEKingdom of Vermont (Zone 3a)
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LabourofLove
Oct 12, 2017 6:12 PM CST
How many?? More than any sane person needs Hilarious!
Seriously, about 150 named varieties and a half dozen NOids. All growing in the ground in raised beds.
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Glover, Vermont

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Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Oct 12, 2017 7:28 PM CST
Kate, your garden still looks as lovely as ever! Lovey dubby
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Oct 12, 2017 7:59 PM CST
webesemps said:Kate, your garden still looks as lovely as ever! Lovey dubby


Agreed. That is still the most impressive semp garden picture I recall ever seeing in this forum.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 13, 2017 7:04 PM CST

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I love you beds Kate. Are they covered up by now? Or haven't the leaves begun to fall yet?

I also love Tim's riverbed semp garden. I find it very appealing and zen like. Lovey dubby

I have been cutting down on cultivars this year, so now only have about 680 something. All in raised cement block beds, 23 of them.
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Name: Kate
NEKingdom of Vermont (Zone 3a)
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LabourofLove
Oct 13, 2017 7:22 PM CST
valleylynn said:I love you beds Kate. Are they covered up by now? Or haven't the leaves begun to fall yet?

I also love Tim's riverbed semp garden. I find it very appealing and zen like. Lovey dubby

I have been cutting down on cultivars this year, so now only have about 680 something. All in raised cement block beds, 23 of them.
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Thanks, everyone. I no longer have to cover my beds (HOORAY!!) because I took down the monstrous black locust that caused all the leaf/seed/stem problems. It was separating (they are notorious for having multiple 'stems') and this one had 5 co-dominant trunks that made a single, 4' diameter trunk. I could see air through it and knew it was time for it to go -- before it came down in a storm and took out powerlines, raised beds, part of my house ... you get the idea. My life is significantly easier without all the moving of signage and covering of all the beds in the Fall: then reversing the process in the Spring.

I know I live far off the beaten path for most of us semp freaks, but all are welcome to visit anytime the urge overcomes the logistics of a long drive. AND, I have 5 guestrooms.

And, a question. I have a 30 second video I'd like to post, but have not been able to. Are videos not allowed?
Kate Kennedy Butler
Glover, Vermont

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 13, 2017 7:52 PM CST

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You can post a link to the video. If you have it on Facebook or Youtube. Can't wait to see it.

It would sure be great if you came to the clinic next spring. Hurray!
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Oct 13, 2017 7:54 PM CST
valleylynn said:I love you beds Kate. Are they covered up by now? Or haven't the leaves begun to fall yet?

I also love Tim's riverbed semp garden. I find it very appealing and zen like. Lovey dubby

I have been cutting down on cultivars this year, so now only have about 680 something. All in raised cement block beds, 23 of them.
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Cutting down to 680 cultivars? Blinking Man, I guess my 172 is small potatoes. I've been culling out a few myself, although my Agave count is increasing. I went to "Little Baja" today and bought some big terra-cotta pots. Now I'll spend the cold months dreaming of new Agaves to fill those pots. I may have to invest in a hand-truck to move them into the garage in the winter. *Blush*
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 13, 2017 8:01 PM CST

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Tim, I was hoping you would post one of your photos of the riverbed. I so love that riverbed of semps, sedum and agave.
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Oct 13, 2017 8:14 PM CST
Just 23 beds, Lynn?

Very nice of you to extend the invitation, Kate...I mentioned your zone 3a to my hubby and he went "Ohhh...
Congrats on getting rid of that old black Locust Tree nodding
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Oct 13, 2017 8:36 PM CST
valleylynn said:Tim, I was hoping you would post one of your photos of the riverbed. I so love that riverbed of semps, sedum and agave.


It may be an actual riverbed before long. Massive cold showers pouring down the last few days, and a tornado touched down just 2 miles from here. I'm sure you're getting much the same. It's getting close to that time of year where I put the camera down and pull the rocking chair up to the fireplace, and have a few sips. Just a few, mind you.
BTW... do any of you Oregon folks shop for pots here: http://www.little-baja.com/
I've been driving by it for years and never actually dropped in until today. I was lucky to get out before draining my retirement funds.

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