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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Sep 5, 2017 4:08 PM CST
tveguy3 said:Sometimes if I really like an iris, I'll buy two look alike irises that bloom at different times, one that blooms early and one that blooms late or very late.
Like Black Magic Woman Early to Mid season

Sharp Dressed Man that starts blooming Mid Season and goes for a long time.


That way I get to see them for a very long season.


Tom ~ I know it is early to start "story-telling", but I think something is going on between Sharp Dressed Man and Black Magic Woman. nodding
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Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Sep 5, 2017 6:39 PM CST
One never knows, but we'll see what happens some time after Christmas and before Easter. Smiling
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Name: Carol H. Sandt
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csandt
Sep 6, 2017 11:01 AM CST
Polymerous said:If you think irises are bad, you should take a look at the daylily world...

I guess any slight improvement (earlier, or later, or more buds, or better branching, or fragrance, or better disease resistance, or more ruffling, or wider edges, or better color, or or or) would be the reason for look-alikes.


Is there a place where information on the disease resistance of iris cultivars is collected and made publicly available, or is this information mostly anecdotal, i.e. known primarily by those who are part of the iris-growing community, but not available in written form?
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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Sep 6, 2017 11:48 AM CST
Carol ~ That is a very good question! I would like to know that as well.
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Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Sep 6, 2017 1:58 PM CST
I think disease resistance can be related to the culture it's grown in. Some irises are very disease resistance in one garden, and thrive in others, so it's not like a pure science.
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SJButler
Sep 10, 2017 5:03 PM CST
The Historic Iris Preservation Society has a relatively new feature that has photos of every portion of the plant.
http://historiciris.org
click on Gallery
click on ID_Composites A new aid for identification
(http://www.historiciris.org/ab...)

I was able to identify a very common NOID in my town. (Crimson King).
I am now attempting to id several others.
It's a great tool but will also show you how much similar iris differ.

Happy Hunting!!
Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Sep 10, 2017 9:17 PM CST
Thanks SJButler. Thank You!
Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Jan 22, 2018 7:00 PM CST
evelyninthegarden said:Tom ~ I know it is early to start "story-telling", but I think something is going on between Sharp Dressed Man and Black Magic Woman. nodding


Is it time yet?

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Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Jan 22, 2018 7:11 PM CST
I've been giving it some thought, should be soon. Smiling Smiling
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UndertheSun
Jan 22, 2018 8:15 PM CST
Uh-oh.... Whistling
Name: Jan Wax
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janwax
Jan 22, 2018 8:52 PM CST
Two nearly identical irises - in photos, at least - Dipped in Dots and Dots and Splashes. Which one?



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Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
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Polymerous
Jan 22, 2018 9:19 PM CST
I'd like to know about disease resistance in irises too. I was just thinking about that today, after trimming off spotted foliage. Thumbs down A few of the irises looked relatively clean, most so-so, a few relatively bad. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Glare I remember at least one that was really bad last year; I guess I'll be seeing how bad it gets this year.
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grannysgarden
Jan 23, 2018 7:26 AM CST
Jan, I like Dipped In Dots the best. Some nearly identical irises are really not that identical when you have them planted in your garden and can see the substance of the petals, the beard color and size and the subtle shading and form of the bloom. The ones that are very much alike should be evaluated on how long the blooms last, how hardy they are in your area and how the blooms stand up to the sun and weather.... i think. I am seeing new introductions that are very much alike some that i already grow. There is enough difference to make both desirable and enough space to grow them in different areas...... just not enough budget to justify the purchase. Hilarious!

Poly, I water my irises all summer long. I like the way irises look in all seasons but most people in this area call them 'drought proof' and leave them to their fate. This causes brown tips and often half the leaf will brown off. I don't like that. It makes me think of dying plants. So.... i water at ground level. The very tips will tell me if the water is not reaching the roots. Smiling Our summers are so dry we only have leaf spot in some springs and it does not last long thankfull. Smiling

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Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Jan 23, 2018 8:30 AM CST
Dipped in Dots is late and very late to bloom, Dots and Splashes says it's E,M,L, meaning it has a long bloom season. I have Dipped In Dots, and really like it, I don't have Dots and Splashes.
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Lestv
Jan 23, 2018 9:10 AM CST
I love my Dipped in Dots. It got outlandishly tall last spring (52 inches). It was a L-VL bloom here, but the blooms stayed open a long time and held up to heat and rain. I don't grow Dots and Splashes which has lighter style arms and beard.
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Name: Jan Wax
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janwax
Jan 23, 2018 10:44 AM CST
I'm thinking of growing both of the "dots". Thanks for the input.
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Jan 23, 2018 12:26 PM CST

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'Dots and Splashes' also has both variegated and purple based foliage, an uncommon combination to say the least. The Database shows only four other irises with that combination and 'Quite the Same' is the only one that matches 'Dots and Splashes' in terms of strength of the purple color. So, for anyone who is interested in that sort of thing, it's a very different iris than 'Dipped in Dots'.
Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Jan 23, 2018 1:15 PM CST
Kent ~ Thank You!



Wow! Would you all look at that?
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IrisLilli
Jan 23, 2018 1:34 PM CST
More for the want list! Whistling
Of course I talk to myself; sometimes I need expert advice!
Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Jan 23, 2018 1:46 PM CST
Dots and Splashes

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