Roses forum: Palatine roses for 2017-2018 season

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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Sep 3, 2017 4:08 PM CST

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Palatine's website has been updated for the new season. Orders will not be taken until 9:00 am EST on September 11th.

https://palatineroses.com/rose...
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Sep 11, 2017 2:59 PM CST
So....what did you get??? Lovey dubby nodding Whistling I'm all ears!
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H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 11, 2017 6:47 PM CST
Here's my order:
Cream Vernanda - love it, compact & bushy - ordered it again
Malicorne - love the dark red color, did not burn, ordered a second one
Acropolis - russet color - unique
Caramella Fairy Tale - the other Kordes Fairy Tales I have I am very happy with
Firebird Citiscape - I think the color will knock my socks off! Palatine's mentioned it flowers A LOT. And when I went to the Kordes website, it's characteristics rating chart shows 4 stars in reference to blackspot. A big plus for my Long Island garden.
https://www.kordes-rosen.com/g...
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 13, 2017 8:20 AM CST
Sounds great, Margie. Caramella FT just keeps on surprising me. Mostly in a good way. Some really fun picks there, like Firebird Citiscape. Good luck with your order.

Here's Mine:
-Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale - A splash of color to replace a failed Kordes Brilliant.
-Sally Holmes - I need a bloom machine to set atop a knoll surrounded by iris.
-Bliss Parfuma - always seeking to make scents of a garden.
-Dark Desire - unusual, fragrant. Just seems like the right rose to be growing. Does it need a little PM shade to keep the blooms from fading and bluing?
-Milestone - token red HT rose. Why? not really sure.
-Auguste Renoir - more of those artistic blooms.
-Plum Perfect Sunbelt - reminds me of black raspberry ice cream.
-Salita - not sure. I always order Salita. It's just an old habit. In the past it has always gone out of stock before arriving here.
-Roberta Bondar - the one I had was quite lovely. Not sure whether it was gophers, drought, or alkalinity that killed it. At any rate, it might look good with Salita.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 19, 2017 1:16 PM CST
Great choices Margie and Steve!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 21, 2017 3:20 PM CST
I have added to my order:
Anne Henderson
Foxy Lady
*Plum Perfect
*Golden Fairy Tale
* both of these have done well here so I am adding duplicates to my garden.
I began "collecting" roses in 2012. My garden became a "trial garden". I am at the point after careful evaluation, specific roses are keepers.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 22, 2017 8:23 AM CST
Margie, do you find that Plum Perfect has much scent?
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 22, 2017 8:57 AM CST
Steve, there are some flowers on Plum Perfect that will open over the next couple of days - I will get back to you on it's scent.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 23, 2017 7:22 AM CST
Margie, I've enjoyed Foxy Lady in the garden this summer. I'm curious to see how well she handles winter, but thus far has been a pretty good performer. I'd considered Hot Cocoa, but had been concerned about its hardiness and vigor in my region because it is a Carruth intro. The color of Foxy Lady is very similar.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 23, 2017 8:31 AM CST
Neal, I tried Hot Cocoa here in a bed where Julia Child now grows satisfactorily. Hot Cocoa simply never grew to much more than 10 inches in any direction. Gave it two, maybe three seasons. I think it blossomed once. As I remember it, on the first day the flowers were a lovely and delicious shiny milk chocolate brown with hints of orange. The second day they were hideous faded things. Can't remember whether the flowers malingered. Flowering was not a regular occurrance as it is for Julia Child. Even in the moments it looks marvelous, I find it a tough color to work with in the garden. If I had it to do over again I might consider growing it in a special pot so I could move it around. Or in a bed with certain other orangish/buff roses which might include Buff Beauty or Brown Velvet, maybe Joyfulness or Caramella FT. Or maybe just set it in a field of marigolds.

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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Sep 23, 2017 2:42 PM CST
Ah yes, the bed where I wanted Hot Cocoa is where I put Foxy Lady, and that bed is also home to Buff Beauty, Caramella, South Africa, and Teasing Georgia (which always appears more buff than yellow in my garden ).Foxy Lady doesn't fade to mauve like Hot Cocoa, but does fade to a lighter color.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 23, 2017 7:06 PM CST
Neal, thank you for your evaluation of Foxy Lady - I'll tell you how it grows here on Long Island zone 6B with humid summers.

Here's a list of the Carruth roses presently in my garden.
Betty Boop - grows very well, produces lots of flowers regardless of the fact it get blackspot and completely defoliates. But it recovers quickly within weeks and before you know it, it's back in business pushing out lots of new foliage and blooms.

Blueberry Hill - I have an own root with 4 canes and a newly planted grafted. I can tell you that the new grafted one is catching up quickly in size to the own root. Also the grafted BH flowers are larger in size. I like the color of the blue flower with the yellow center.

Cinco de Mayo is own root that I bought as a band and was directed planted in the ground a few years ago. It looks good with Hot Cocoa. I am thinking about getting a grafted one because I like it so much.

Hot Cocoa own root with 4 canes - doing very well - it's about 3 1/2 feet tall. I like the color of this rose. Hot Chocolate (not a Carruth rose) is planted next to it - looks very similar to Hot Cocoa. What can I say.. I like the color russet.

Ebb Tide a 2' short own root floribunda with 4 canes bought as a band. The color changes between violet and magenta depending on the temperature.

Fire N Ice is on order. I had this florist rose many years ago. Love that white reverse.

Julia Child bought this as an own root. I am not crazy about this rose. Maybe I am spoiled because I have Midas Touch and The Yellow which retain their yellow coloring.

Midnight Blue I have 3. One of which is newly planted in an area that receives partial shade during the hottest time of the day - it does not get blackspot. The other 2 win second prize for the worse case of blackspot.

Scentimental - I have recently talked about it. It wins First Prize. As I said, I will be trying out a new product for blackspot - hopefully it will resolve the issue.

Twilight Zone this one's growth is leggy here - disappointing. Ebb Tide is better in my opinion. It will probably be replaced eventually.

By the way, does anyone grow Yellow Brick Road (Lim), Honey Bouquet (Zary) or Stars n Stripes (Moore)?




Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 25, 2017 9:12 PM CST
Steve,
Just want to mention that according to Help Me Find that Brother's Grimm is shade tolerant. I have two both in partial shade doing very, very well.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 26, 2017 8:47 AM CST
Thanks for all the good info, Margie.

Being from Palatine Roses my three best Julia Child roses are on multiflora rootstock. These I am impressed with. The two own root plants of the same cultivar are from ARE are materially smaller and less foliferous. Of course, the blossoms still have a rather informal shape. And they do still fade. But for the purpose I use them - as a lump of color in the garden - they work pretty well. The bloom season is long and they are pretty generous with their blossoms - especially when I compare them with my Sunsprite roses.

This summer I bought Hurdy Gurdy, another striped rose by Moore from RVR. After it arrived I reread the description and was a little surprised to find that the rose can grow to six feet in height. In its first year in the ground it is already showing that proclivity. And I'm scrambling to find a better location for it...

Betty Boop still strikes me as a one-of-a-kind rose. And my opinion of it can swing wildly. If I grew Ebb Tide, I think I'd feel disappointed if every bloom were not that deep dark plummy purple depicted in the sales literature.
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 28, 2017 7:09 PM CST
Steve, I do not detect a scent on Plum Perfect. It does bloom frequently.

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Name: Lilli
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IrisLilli
Sep 29, 2017 3:38 AM CST
Love the colour on Plum Perfect! Lovey dubby


Today is World Heart Day and also VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) Day, so I think this rose is just perfect as our rose of the day:

(aka WEKbipuhit, Marie Osmond, New Age)
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 29, 2017 8:43 AM CST
If Plum Perfect really does look anything like it does in the photographs I've seen of it, including yours Margie, I'm sure I will find it to be a pleasing rose. If it really is as healthy and vigorous as most of the roses from Palatine and if it smells good too, well, it really will be plum perfect! Rolling my eyes.
Name: Lilli
Copenhagen, Denmark, EU
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IrisLilli
Oct 1, 2017 7:00 AM CST
Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers!
You don't know if it will grow until you try!

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