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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 14, 2017 2:02 PM CST
Has anyone had this to shrub to wilt during the day..

mine has good sun till 2pm..

but it was planted 3 weeks ago and it wilts...

it comes out at night..

It has water..it rained 3 inches this week and well drained area.

Does this variety do well in lower zone 8?


I bought it at a nursery in a 2 gallon pot..3 weeks ago, I set it out in the flower bed and I had to cover it tent
like with cardboard with air on both sides coming in to the butterfly bush because it was wilting under our high humidity and just sun till 2pm then in filtered sun to semi shade till night..

The black knight I also shaded it for 5 sunny days I bought and planted 2 gallon and it is doing well..today..
I want to know in lower zone 8 what success have you had with which named butterfly bushes and which have not done well..

Thank you so much

Sherit or Sheridragonfly lower zone 8 alabama
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Sep 14, 2017 2:13 PM CST
Wilting during the day but perking up at night is a sign the plant is losing moisture out of its leaves faster than it is absorbing moisture through its roots.

It sounds like the butterflly bush is getting enough water so that means the roots are insufficient for some reason. Did you damage a lot of roots when you planted? Were the roots 'pot bound'?

As long as it perks up at night, all is good. Eventually, your butterfly bush will stop wilting as the roots catch up.
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 14, 2017 2:21 PM CST
thank you these new bushes did not have much of any root system at the nursery
when I got home and slid them out..they must have been repotted at the nursery just
before I bought them and not had much root system..
I hope they grow roots before nov lst our lst frost here..in lower alabama..

I bought them the last week of August although it was so HOT and humid because I always heard
that a perennial needs 6 to8 weeks to get started well before the lst frost, is that what you think too?
They will have 8 weeks in the ground...please grow good roots...by then...

I put my finger down in the soil and it it is damp I do not water...
Any thoughts on how much to water this one...and the black knight before late october
since it is trying to grow roots?

I do not want to cause root rot..in either one of them..

This was our most rainfall here in 22 years..but these were bought and planted last week of August
by me.
SheriT
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Sep 14, 2017 2:26 PM CST
They should be fine by then. A plant in the ground (if you haven't disturbed the roots too much) is much better off than a plant in a pot.

Continue watering as you are - once they are well established, water less. Root rot in Buddleia is a problem in really wet areas.
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 14, 2017 2:30 PM CST
I had root rot this year...in other bushes...shrubs in the flower bed and it drained well.
As I said it rained the most in 22 years here June through sept lst..
and hot and humid...

thank you for answering..

I just do not want to lose these 2 new butterfly bushes...

I have spent so much this year on the flower bed...as I have every year but lost a lot this year..
Not used to losing shrubs or flowers...

One year due to rain I lost 12 Eva Cullum and David Phlox due to rain and mildew I guess..they were
well cared for , drained well ..

I think that the deep south just can not have some flowers that the sellers say will grow here..I have learned that over the years ..

I love tall phlox but they do not do well here
they may last one year...

Foxgloves and all the cottage type flowers do not do well here ...too hot and too humid even in half day sun or filtered sun..for me..

Sheri
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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stone
Sep 15, 2017 7:58 AM CST
As I said on your other post, the problem sounds like nematodes.
I get new bushes by breaking off limbs and shoving the broken ends into the clay.
Very easy.
They love lots of water.

Most people are ripping out their buddlea plantings as they are known invasives.

They will not grow at my house, in the dry sand.
And, in a garden that gets plenty of water, the nematodes kill them.

Find something else to plant.... Something not bothered by the nematodes.
Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Sep 15, 2017 8:23 AM CST
Buddleja davidii is a Class B/C invasive plant in Washington (control recommended but not required), and I am seeing more and more of it in recently logged areas. I have found, however, that nurseries are now offering sterile cultivars, which may be a better option if this plant has also escaped in your region.
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 16, 2017 1:37 PM CST
I have never had a problem with invasiveness of butterfly bushes in Alabama
So that is good, neither has my mother in Atlanta Georgia
Sheri
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Sep 16, 2017 2:40 PM CST
I'm beginning to think that Buddleja is one of those plants that should not be planted anywhere but the west coast. In California, we too considered Buddleja as an invasive plant. Here in Reno, mine have done okay - they grow, they bloom but they are not the massive go to seed everywhere we had in CA. I even transplanted a couple of those rambunctious seedlings to my daughters' houses - they lasted a year and died.
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Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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stone
Sep 18, 2017 6:52 AM CST
Sheridragonfly said:I have never had a problem with invasiveness of butterfly bushes in Alabama
So that is good, neither has my mother in Atlanta Georgia
Sheri


In alabama and Atlanta, I would expect to see seedlings, unless... The garden is turfed over.
In Macon ga, any garden that isn't turfed over, gets plenty of seedlings... Especially if the irrigation system keeps things wet enough to keep impatiens and/or jewelweed going.


Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 18, 2017 5:12 PM CST
I mulch my flower bed with cypress mulch but not the daylilys beside it

I never see seedlings..of butterfly bushes ..when pulling weeds in day lilys which are two foot from the
butterfly shrub area...

I guess some get upset over this..

but I love my butterfly shrubs and taking pictures of the butterflys
and not hurting anyone by having them..

If I had Kudzu and was letting it take over all the woods and neighbors I would be changing my mind and not letting it grow..seen that take over trees and farmland in the past..killed what we could of it as others tried to do also..
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Sep 18, 2017 7:57 PM CST
Sheri,

Please don't be upset by comments made in this Forum. What you choose to plant in your yard is your decision. That's why we have gardens - they are unique to us. And, every area is different - what works in my yard won't work in yours. I have ALWAYS wanted to plant Passion Vines. Lovey dubby

I love the butterflies too and have been known to spend a lot of time poised to take the perfect shot. Personally, I have attracted more butterfies to my Lilacs then I ever did to Buddleja.

But, no, you are not hurting anyone by making choices about your own garden space. And if you loved Kudzu, I would tell you to grow it! I understand you can make tea from the leaves. Smiling
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Name: Deb
Pacific NW (Zone 8b)
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Bonehead
Sep 18, 2017 8:23 PM CST
I re-read this thread and didn't find anyone critical about growing it. I mentioned it is on the invasive list in my region, but that was just an informational comment. No offense intended. Strangely, I've planted it twice in my yard (once before realizing it was a problem in the PNW, and a second time with a sterile variety) and neither one thrived. So, perhaps karma at work.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 19, 2017 6:58 AM CST
Daisyl
Thank you for such a sweet remark...and kind words...which were comforting.

A flower garden is what is gentle, lovely, exciting, colorful, beautiful and filled with love
and my passion for photography and a work of God and him through my hands and heart

Thank you so much for your remarks concerning plant what I like in my garden.
SheriT
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Yardenman
Sep 19, 2017 9:09 AM CST
It's hard to kill a butterfly bush in Zone 7, so it may be heat in Zone 8? If mine (and I have not only the 5 I planted but volunteers all over the yard) were wilting, I wou;d dig them up in January to look at the roots. If the roots are weak (easy to dig up), I would look for grubs or other insects. If none, amend the soils deeply, and replant.

BTW, with butterfly bushes (if you mean Buddliea) you can cut the branches off one right now. They will send out new shoots and you can snip those to root in small pots over the Winter to propagate more.

That's how I went from 2 to 5 (one each purple and white) and gave some away to friends...
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 19, 2017 9:21 AM CST
Yardenman

thanks I have no where to store rootings in pots over winter wish I did..

do you put them in a garage and how often do you water them in the dark garage
or set them out in sun in daytime in winter and bring them in at night?

Never have learned how to do ...tell me so I will know if someone ask me..
thanks
sheri
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 23, 2017 3:21 PM CST
Daisyl

White profusion is still alive and doing better.

The lady that asked me how many roots or how the root system looked when I took it out of the nursery pot...that was the answer..it had hardly any roots..
I think the nursery had repotted it for winter and that is why it was not rooted well in the large 2 gallon pot they recently put it in.

We have kept it moist...in the half day sun and it does wilt in daytime but out at night
all beautiful and nice green leaves...and standing up nicely..

Just think maybe by november it will have roots enough and overwinter...in the flower garden
where it gets half day sun...and be beautiful next May through november in bloom..
This was the first time I have encountered a new plant or shrub that did not have a good root system.
when bought but the plant up top was excellent ...

One other question..I have salvias that grew in pots..this summer
they are under a crepe myrtle tree..sitting there
the crepe myrtle will be bare and no leaves by november..

will they live in those pots this winter in zone 8
how often will I need to water them in their black plastic pots?
I have no garage...and I am asking will they live in those pots
till next spring? thanks Sheri

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