All Things Gardening forum: National Geographic Sept 2017

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Name: Yardenman
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Sep 19, 2017 7:20 AM CST
There is an article about intensive growing in the Netherlands. They have great productivity. I can't exactly cover my backyard with greenhouses dedicated to gardening, but they sure seem to get more great veggies than I can.

Anyone familiar with the article or the methods? Can it be cost effective for someone with just a 1/4 acre backyard? Can it work small-scale?
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Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Sep 19, 2017 7:50 AM CST
It was called The Timy Country that feeds the World. Posted in All Things Gardening

http://www.nationalgeographic....
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
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Name: Jackie
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GenXNEGeorgia
Sep 19, 2017 8:12 AM CST
Thanks for sharing this information. @Mayo may know more about this from a personal experience standpoint. (Caution: this is an assumption Hilarious! )

I am very curious to learn more because my fiance (DFH) travels there on occasion and I'd like to accompany him on a trip. He says everyone has an amazing garden....
A garden is a grand teacher. It teaches patience and careful watchfulness; it teaches industry and thrift; above all it teaches entire trust. — Gertrude Jekyll
Name: Yardenman
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Yardenman
Sep 19, 2017 8:19 AM CST
crawgarden said:It was called The Timy Country that feeds the World. Posted in All Things Gardening

http://www.nationalgeographic....


"Posted in All Things Gardening"... Well, I've looked and I sure can't find it where you suggested. Any additional help? I'm not the best forum navigator.

Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Yardenman
Sep 19, 2017 8:27 AM CST
GenXNEGeorgia said:Thanks for sharing this information. @Mayo may know more about this from a personal experience standpoint. (Caution: this is an assumption Hilarious! )

I am very curious to learn more because my fiance (DFH) travels there on occasion and I'd like to accompany him on a trip. He says everyone has an amazing garden....


I would sure like to do better with MY garden. The neighbor trees are shading me out. If the Netherlanders can make it productive and cost-efficient with a greenhouse and lights, I may consider going crazy on it.

Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
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Shadegardener
Sep 19, 2017 8:34 AM CST
Read the article and the photos are amazing. Serious analyzing of input costs there.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Sep 19, 2017 9:31 AM CST
Yardman, select the blue hyper link, it will take you right too it
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
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crawgarden
Sep 19, 2017 9:33 AM CST
GenXNEGeorgia said:Thanks for sharing this information. @Mayo may know more about this from a personal experience standpoint. (Caution: this is an assumption Hilarious! )

I am very curious to learn more because my fiance (DFH) travels there on occasion and I'd like to accompany him on a trip. He says everyone has an amazing garden....


AMS and all of the Netherlands, is incredible the people are great! Use to go there 3 times a month.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Name: Jackie
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GenXNEGeorgia
Sep 19, 2017 9:38 AM CST
crawgarden said:

AMS and all of the Netherlands, is incredible the people are great! Use to go there 3 times a month.



He was fortunate enough to travel there twice in one month for work -- he didn't get to sightsee a ton but he fell in love immediately. We're trying to plan a trip because I love love love the pictures he brought back.....
A garden is a grand teacher. It teaches patience and careful watchfulness; it teaches industry and thrift; above all it teaches entire trust. — Gertrude Jekyll
Name: Yardenman
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Sep 19, 2017 10:21 AM CST
crawgarden said:Yardman, select the blue hyper link, it will take you right too it


I have the magazine in my hands! That's why I knew about the idea and wanted to know other gardeners opinion of the idea!

And it's "Yardenman" not "yardman", please and thank you. A combination of "yard" and "garden" and "man".

Sorry...

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Name: Rj
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crawgarden
Sep 19, 2017 1:30 PM CST
GenXNEGeorgia said:

He was fortunate enough to travel there twice in one month for work -- he didn't get to sightsee a ton but he fell in love immediately. We're trying to plan a trip because I love love love the pictures he brought back.....


Keukenhof is mid March to early May, great time to go

http://tulipsinholland.com/faq...
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Name: Rj
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crawgarden
Sep 19, 2017 1:45 PM CST
Yardenman said:

I have the magazine in my hands! That's why I knew about the idea and wanted to know other gardeners opinion of the idea!

And it's "Yardenman" not "yardman", please and thank you. A combination of "yard" and "garden" and "man".

Sorry...



Sorry, bad reading comprehension Smiling

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Sep 21, 2017 10:35 AM CST
crawgarden said:

Keukenhof is mid March to early May, great time to go

http://tulipsinholland.com/faq...


Thank You! I will check this out for sure!

We were thinking about Nijmegen in April because that seems to be when the flights are the least expensive Thumbs up Is the tulip pre-bloom better than the full bloom?
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gardenglory
Sep 21, 2017 10:44 AM CST
I found that really amazing. I cant even imagine the work and $$$ to get up and running, but how awesome.
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
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Shadegardener
Sep 21, 2017 12:35 PM CST
I wonder how much of the greenhouse systems could be run by solar power. Probably would need high-output lights running 16 to 18 hours a day during the winter.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
Name: Yardenman
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Yardenman
Sep 23, 2017 10:16 AM CST
Shadegardener said:I wonder how much of the greenhouse systems could be run by solar power. Probably would need high-output lights running 16 to 18 hours a day during the winter.


It seems to work. They make a profit. And if they make a profit, surely the produce would cost me less than at the store. And the good ones like tomatoes and melons would be great.

On the other hand, they don't have to worry about trees falling over on the greenhouses.

But still, it really makes me wonder if I might try some of the ideas.

Name: Rj
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crawgarden
Sep 23, 2017 10:28 AM CST
Would imagine they make a profit with the volume.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Yardenman
Sep 23, 2017 12:14 PM CST
crawgarden said:Would imagine they make a profit with the volume.


Well, I'm retired, so my labor is free. And I would think the greenhouses and lighting costs are about the same per sq ft regardless of size. And I'm getting shaded out by neighbors' trees. I have to try something...

Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
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Shadegardener
Sep 23, 2017 12:51 PM CST
I did see an interesting segment on "Vitality Gardening" - on the FNX channel - where in the far north, an unused hockey arena was turned into a community greenhouse with raised bed plots. In a land where fresh produce costs almost 10 times as much. It did have skylights though and, in the summer, almost 24 hour daylight. Unfortunately, it closes down at the end of Sept as supplemental lights aren't currently being used.
Yard - I would think that in Maryland, you'd have to investigate whether you'd need supplemental heat as well if your greenhouse isn't designed to do without.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb

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