Daylilies forum: Is this really Alpine Mist?

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Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Sep 25, 2017 6:57 AM CST
A seller here in the UK has this daylily listed as 'Alpine Mist'. I have been thinking of buying Alpine Mist for a while but this is such a bad picture that I am not sure that it is Alpine Mist, even bearing in mind that varieties often look different in the UK.

Although the owners have a National Collection of small and mini varieties they are not big on technology their website hasn't been updated since 2011 and their recent catalogue is almost identical to the first one I received in 2007 and has no pics, just names and descriptions. It is hours away from where I live and appointment only so not viable to visit.

What do you think, is it a mislabelled variety?

ALPINE MIST ?
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Sep 25, 2017 7:32 AM CST
Might be...

If Alpine Mist bloomed after a cold night, then was subjected to a sunny day, and the picture was taken around 5:00 pm.

As a U.K. gardener, your decision seems simple.

If it isn't Alpine Mist, then you definitely don't want to order it from that seller.

If it *is* Alpine Mist, and that's a preview of how it will look in your garden, then you probably don't want it anyway.

Your weather is cooler than mine, and there are plenty of famous, well-liked daylilies that just don't cut it here.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Sep 25, 2017 8:27 AM CST
Thanks, Ken.

It is just sooo difficult trying to grow daylilies in the UK as the supply just isn't there. It is just too big a gamble for most people to buy the stock as it may be completely different here than in any of the pictures and then they have to be trialled for a few years to see if they cope with our climate.

Usually people give up after a couple of years and grow roses or chrysanths instead.

I made the decision this summer to finally chuck Priscilla's Dream as around 75% of the time she is just a raspberry self flower here.
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Frillylily
Sep 25, 2017 8:52 AM CST
there is a good possibility that it is but mine does have a green throat.
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
Sep 25, 2017 11:09 AM CST
Here are some photos of Alpine Mist as it bloomed in my garden. We had a cool, wet summer, and this is how it looked. I have added several photos taken on different days with different lighting.
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These photos were taken at the grower's garden, in full sun, and with a different camera.
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Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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touchofsky
Sep 25, 2017 11:15 AM CST
I agree with Ken that it could be. It would really help if more than one photo was available, because the weather, time of day when a photo was taken, and even whether it is an early season or late season bloom can really change the look of a cultivar in a photo. If it wasn't expensive, you could always take a chance and give it away if you don't like it.
Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
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Scatterbrain
Sep 25, 2017 12:10 PM CST
Yes, I was just thinking the same, Valerie. It is only £5.00/a few dollars, not much more than the price of a sandwich really, so will take a chance on it in Spring.

Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Sep 25, 2017 12:18 PM CST
Scatterbrain said:
It is just sooo difficult trying to grow daylilies in the UK as the supply just isn't there. It is just too big a gamble for most people to buy the stock as it may be completely different here than in any of the pictures and then they have to be trialled for a few years to see if they cope with our climate.


It's up to the grower to do their own trialing, which can get expensive. And even if you could import, there's no way to know how a daylily is going to respond to cool nights. Some of them put up with it, most don't. I always look for the most recurved flowers, which usually works out OK. A lot of growers register plants as EMO, but some of those still have trouble here. It's not just cool nights, it's how the night gets cool, and how many cool nights are strung together in a row. When the fog rolls in hard at sunset, and things cool off to under 60° by 8:30-9:00, the next day is a whole lot different than if it had waited until midnight to cool off.

This climate is so weird. It's mild enough so that dormant daylilies start to emerge in late February, so the scapes come about a month too soon. And the spring drags on and on, mild and rainy, promoting lots of good growth. As a result, peak bloom is in early to mid June when nights are still in the 50's, but the best blooming weather doesn't arrive until July - September. A lot of the heavier, wider-petaled daylilies won't open well until the last two blooms on their scape. Rebloom is good though, and late-season daylilies do fine, even though the humidity here is always a little too low, and the evenings cool off too rapidly for good bloom performance.

Scatterbrain said:
Usually people give up after a couple of years and grow roses or chrysanths instead.


You can also grow lots of things such as Peony and a whole range of cool woodland plants, as well as oddities such as Cardiocrinum and Eremurus, which are difficult for me. Since it's a mediterranean climate, I grow a lot of South African bulbs and succulents, which feel very much at home here, as well as make the winter rainy season interesting, but in the end, none of them are as fun to mess with as daylilies.

Name: Nikki
Yorkshire, UK (Zone 8a)
LA name-Maelstrom
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Scatterbrain
Sep 26, 2017 11:30 AM CST
Hi Ken,

I think it would be easier here if it weren't for the summers being so short due to the northern latitude (Yorkshire is on the same latitude as several towns in Sweden and Denmark). All it needs is just a few weeks of bad weather and our growing season is wrecked for the whole year.

This is the only seller in the UK or the European sites that I know of that lists Alpine Mist so I am going to have to just get it and see as I have bought from these people before and they are genuinely nice people, just hopeless at marketing. Sad

@touchofsky--thanks for the pics, Valerie! She looks lovely in your garden.
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