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Name: Jim Kurtz
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PlantFather
Oct 12, 2017 12:39 PM CST

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My company is getting ready to launch a new consumer product that helps plants improve photosynthesis. The device uses sound waves rather than chemicals to increase plant health. Key benefits would include faster growth, better pest resistance and improved disease resistance. This is a completely organic product.

We are looking for several individuals to answer a short 5 question survey to help us identify important information regarding distribution, pricing and more.

If anyone is interested in helping us with feedback, we would be greatly appreciative.
Name: Will Creed
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WillC
Oct 14, 2017 10:48 AM CST
I am deeply skeptical that you can improve photosynthesis with sound waves. And what makes sound waves organic?

I would be interested to see a link that provides more info on this product, but I am not interested in helping you promote a product on this site.
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Name: Jim Kurtz
Clearwater, FL (Zone 9b)
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PlantFather
Oct 16, 2017 10:46 AM CST

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WillC said:I am deeply skeptical that you can improve photosynthesis with sound waves. And what makes sound waves organic?

I would be interested to see a link that provides more info on this product, but I am not interested in helping you promote a product on this site.


That is totally fine. Sound waves would be organic in the sense that we are not adding anything inorganic to the plants or the plant environment. No chemicals, etc.

For more information about the technology, please see our website www.organicearthtech.com. The website is geared toward farmers and our agricultural product, but the technology behind that device and the new consumer device is the same.

Hope that helps.
Jim
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greene
Oct 16, 2017 11:03 AM CST
Maybe @dave would like to check this out.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Oct 16, 2017 11:15 AM CST
Does it work better than singing to them?
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Name: Jim Kurtz
Clearwater, FL (Zone 9b)
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PlantFather
Oct 16, 2017 11:24 AM CST

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greene said:Maybe @dave would like to check this out.


By all means. We are giving out a free device to those who participate in our survey to test for themselves. First 50 surveys only.

I will reply to this thread when the quota is met.

Call 844-476-7873 ext 500 to participate if interested.
Name: Jim Kurtz
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PlantFather
Oct 16, 2017 11:27 AM CST

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porkpal said:Does it work better than singing to them?


That depends on the quality of your voice, I suppose. LOL.

Over 12 years of research on the effects of specific frequencies on plant growth went into this technology. While it is unlikely that a voice can mimic these exact frequencies, it may be possible.
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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SunnyBorders
Oct 16, 2017 2:58 PM CST
If I understand correctly there's good evidence that ultrasound can speed up some chemical reactions in Organic Chemistry.

This might be interesting introductory reading in the context of this thread:
https://www.motherearthnews.co...

Name: Will Creed
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WillC
Oct 17, 2017 10:20 AM CST
Are there any carefully controlled, well-documented studies done independently that can confirm what you are promoting?
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Oct 17, 2017 10:21 AM CST
Or are we it?
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Name: Jim Kurtz
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PlantFather
Oct 17, 2017 10:59 AM CST

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WillC said:Are there any carefully controlled, well-documented studies done independently that can confirm what you are promoting?


We have done some studies and are currently doing additional studies on our larger agricultural devices. The smaller device for consumer gardeners and small farmers (the device that I am currently surveying), while based on the same technology, has not undergone such rigorous testing yet.

Many universities have hesitated to engage with us, due to conflict of interest (they receive funding from large chemical and GMO companies).

If you know of research facilities that engage in independent scientific testing for gardening products, please let me know.

In the meantime, we are sending out evaluation devices to professionals and individuals that assist us in market research at no charge. We ask for their feedback on the difference between control plots and our plots in terms of growth, health, pest and disease resistance, etc. Obviously, we expect to see similar results to our own in-house studies.

Our website organicearthtech.com has success stories from three farmers that have been using the agricultural product.

There is a video on our Organic Earth Tech Youtube channel taken from our recent time lapse experiment comparing regular growing methods (on the left) with the Test device planter (on the right). After Hurricane Irma swept through, we returned to the time lapse area in our office to discover the Control planter infested with thousands of gnat-like insects, compared to only a few on the Test side. All other factors, including soil, amount of water, seeds, etc. were kept the same. TI can't post the link here due to forum restrictions, but it is easily found.

Another farmer running trials for us gave us this testimonial regarding disease resistance. His video is on our Youtube channel as well.

This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but the evidence is there.



Name: Sue
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sooby
Oct 17, 2017 11:14 AM CST
If the control planter had a lot of insects and the test one did not, did you determine in some way that it was not because the sound waves affected the insects rather than the plants?
Name: Jim Kurtz
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PlantFather
Oct 17, 2017 11:28 AM CST

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sooby said:If the control planter had a lot of insects and the test one did not, did you determine in some way that it was not because the sound waves affected the insects rather than the plants?


No. I'm not sure how we would go about doing that at our facility. Note that the frequencies are carried to the plants via irrigation water that traveled through a pipe connected to our devices. The frequencies are transferred to the plants through the water, not through a signal generator like a speaker. It is possible that the wet soil containing the embedded frequencies affected the insects directly, however it is unlikely that after 5 days of not watering the plants (due to the hurricane), that the frequencies would still be strong enough to affect the insects.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Oct 17, 2017 12:09 PM CST
Do you have data that lists what type of plant benefits from your technology ?

At this point, I sincerely doubt if it would enhance the productivity of many plants as photosynthesis is only one of the many variables that have to come into play simultaneously before the plant becomes productive.

Do you have a list of the diseases that your technology controls or limits ?

Many universities have hesitated to engage with us, due to conflict of interest (they receive funding from large chemical and GMO companies).


Not all grants for plant studies are for food crops and therefore the GMO issue is not significant. I can give you a long list of universities and industrial growers doing research that are working in areas were GMO is not a factor.

Have you done studies for ornamental crops ? Do you have clients growing ornamental crops ? orchards ?

Your website did not give broad enough information along these lines.

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Jim Kurtz
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PlantFather
Oct 17, 2017 12:54 PM CST

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RoseBlush1 said:Do you have data that lists what type of plant benefits from your technology ?

At this point, I sincerely doubt if it would enhance the productivity of many plants as photosynthesis is only one of the many variables that have to come into play simultaneously before the plant becomes productive.

Do you have a list of the diseases that your technology controls or limits ?



Not all grants for plant studies are for food crops and therefore the GMO issue is not significant. I can give you a long list of universities and industrial growers doing research that are working in areas were GMO is not a factor.

Have you done studies for ornamental crops ? Do you have clients growing ornamental crops ? orchards ?

Your website did not give broad enough information along these lines.


The short answer to your questions is no, not yet. As I said, our original device was geared toward farming specifically. As such, we haven't tested this new device on ornamental varieties, orchards, etc. I would love any research facilities that you can give me that can objectively test our product on ornamentals, orchards, etc.

On disease, we don't have a specific list. What we've noticed is 2 things: 1) plants using our technology tend to resist incoming fungus or bacterial infections better than control groups. 2) Plants that already have disease that start to use our technology sometimes "comes back" and the disease or fungus goes into remission. There is a point of no return however, in which the plants are too sick to recover.

Our technology has produced good results on tomatoes, cucumbers, asparagus, wheatgrass, bell peppers, lettuce and squash. More varieties are also being tested. I have a flower grower contact, but he has huge fields in Holland, and is waiting on development of a large irrigation device that can accommodate 600 gallons per minute flow rate. That product is still in development.

Hope this helps.


Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Oct 17, 2017 1:07 PM CST
FP ...

Many ornamental crops are grown for the market in fields.

Feel free to contact me via t-mail on this site, if you wish for more information.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 17, 2017 6:47 PM CST
PlantFather said:
Many universities have hesitated to engage with us, due to conflict of interest (they receive funding from large chemical and GMO companies).



You have just slandered a lot of Universities. Maybe they just think you are a flake.

We have been creating GMO's since the beginning of agriculture. Almost all of our food crops have been GMO modified. GMO is short for hybridize.

When I look for a product or idea, I check two places: University research studies and NASA. NASA should be very interested in your work.

Without scientific evidence, you are nothing more than a late night infomercial.
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Name: Jim Kurtz
Clearwater, FL (Zone 9b)
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PlantFather
Oct 17, 2017 8:58 PM CST

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DaisyI said:

You have just slandered a lot of Universities. Maybe they just think you are a flake.

We have been creating GMO's since the beginning of agriculture. Almost all of our food crops have been GMO modified. GMO is short for hybridize.

When I look for a product or idea, I check two places: University research studies and NASA. NASA should be very interested in your work.

Without scientific evidence, you are nothing more than a late night infomercial.


My intention is not to slander universities, nor to suggest that all universities would refuse to conduct a trial solely because they have financial connections to chemical or GMO companies. I won't debate the benefits or liabilities of GMO here, as I don't think that is at issue.

However, you do bring up an excellent point: perhaps universities think we are flakes, or "late night infomercial" as you eloquently put it.

As a startup trying to bring a new product to market -based upon a newly developed technology- we encounter resistance. This is not only true of commercial and professional growers or gardeners, but from the scientific community as well. A few of the universities we contacted said that they wouldn't even entertain a research study without independent (i.e. not from our research tests) studies...but that is the entire reason for contacting the universities; to get independent data.

We will continue to pursue scientific research facilities and obtain the necessary research proof. If you prefer to wait until that research is completed in several months and the white papers are published, that is completely fine.

In the meantime, I will also continue to contact individual growers -large and small- as well as independent horticulturists, botanists and agricultural research facilities who are interested in seeing this first hand and possibly giving us feedback.

Thank you for letting me know about NASA. I never would have thought to ask them about agricultural research. I will add them to my list of agencies to pursue.
Name: Yardenman
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Yardenman
Oct 18, 2017 4:45 AM CST
PlantFather said:My company is getting ready to launch a new consumer product that helps plants improve photosynthesis. The device uses sound waves rather than chemicals to increase plant health. Key benefits would include faster growth, better pest resistance and improved disease resistance. This is a completely organic product.

We are looking for several individuals to answer a short 5 question survey to help us identify important information regarding distribution, pricing and more.

If anyone is interested in helping us with feedback, we would be greatly appreciative.


I think you are either deceiving yourself or scamming.

Name: Sue
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sooby
Oct 18, 2017 5:25 AM CST
There is some evidence that playing music can improve plant performance. This was even tested on Mythbusters (there are videos on YouTube of this, if I recall correctly the peas preferred heavy metal). Chances are there has already been some scientific research on plants and sound. You could search on Google Scholar and see if there is a university/researcher who has worked on this aspect and then contact them.

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