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Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Oct 19, 2017 10:50 AM CST
I live in UpState New York. We already have had frost. How realistic is it for me to buy hardy mums, let them bloom as decoration and then plant them in the ground? I think it will be too late for them to establish themselves.

Thanks.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 19, 2017 12:14 PM CST
It will be too late for them to establish themselves but will survive in the ground better than in a pot in the house.
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Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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SunnyBorders
Oct 19, 2017 2:45 PM CST
Agree the worst thing to do is keep the hardy mums in the house.

Re overwintering perennials in pots. We're in zone 5b and overwinter perennials in pots yearly (perennials from divisions and also excess fall purchases). The potted perennials normally survive, frozen solid in garden soil and left outside till spring in a protected place (e.g. between two buildings), covered in snow.

I think failures have been from not moving the pots out into the sun fast enough in the spring with rotting the result.

Perennials should not be left in peat-perlite mixtures in which they may have been sold.

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Name: Anita
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Lioba
Oct 20, 2017 6:31 AM CST
Thank you @DaisyI and @SunnyBorders.

So I shouldn't plant them bc they would have to be transplanted anyway from shade to sun. So change the soil and keep them in pots outside in the shade then plant them in the spring. Did I get that right?

I never thought I could keep these plant specifics in my head. Thank the Creator for this site.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 20, 2017 9:24 AM CST
Personally, I would just slip them out of their current pots and plant them in your garden.
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Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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SunnyBorders
Oct 20, 2017 12:18 PM CST
Anita, the reason for (re)potting is just to delay planting them in the garden (e.g. haven't decided on where you want to plant them), so as Daisy says you might just as well go ahead and plant them in the garden.

The substantive reason not to plant the whole contents of pots directly into garden soil is that (without replacing a peat-perlite mix) you're likely to get frost heaving since the mix and the garden soil will freeze and thaw at different temperatures; not conducive to the survival of the perennials which have been planted.
Name: Anita
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Lioba
Oct 21, 2017 10:52 AM CST
@DaisyI and @SunnyBorders,

I know just where I want them to go. Thank you so much Thank You!
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 21, 2017 10:57 AM CST
Don't cut them back (even leave the dead flowers) - all that 'messiness' adds a layer of insulation for the winter.
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Name: Anita
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Lioba
Oct 21, 2017 11:11 AM CST
@DaisyI Ok. I have the area mulched with pine needles because there are other plants there too. Anything else you can think of?
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Name: Anita
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Lioba
Oct 22, 2017 6:32 AM CST
@DaisyI and @SunnyBorders,
I had read some articles before consulting the "Ask a Question forum". I even looked for articles here and forum threads to answer my question. Nada.

I think you two should write an article on what you told me from the perspective of a Cold Climate buyer of Holiday mums and how to get them through the winter. I didn't read anything close to what you told me. You were very specific. Gave me options and step by step instructions not vague thrown at me generic cookie cutter directions.

Thank you again! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Charlie
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SunnyBorders
Oct 22, 2017 4:15 PM CST
Happy to try to help, Anita.

Personally I was introduced to gardening, helping our Mum in the UK but learned about cold-climate perennial gardening later, very much by taking courses from David Tomlinson at Merlin's Hollow, Aurora, Ontario. David is very accomplished in gardening, landscaping; also even in urban planning and environmental engineering. Merlin's Hollow, David's creation, is a pioneering garden; a large scale traditional (Sissinghurst-like) English garden, designed to meet modern North American environmental and ecological concerns and also designed to reduce the labour requirements from Victorian and Edwardian times.

I have certainly used a lot of what David's taught, as well as gone back to him with further questions as they arose. One of his gardening mantras amounts to "try it out and then evaluate the results". He's very big on observation. So, in my case, I've found out what works in our own gardening conditions and also with my own style of perennial gardening.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 22, 2017 4:19 PM CST
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Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Oct 23, 2017 5:47 AM CST
And I have all you guys at Garden.org to guide me. I am blessed.
Its easy for me to believe in miracles when science can't explain why a blade of grass has its shape and that is just one plant and one attribute.
Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Nov 6, 2017 8:15 PM CST
Update. I had found a store that was selling dried out mums. Most stores got rid of their stock. True gardeners would know that dried mums are still viable, so I bought 2. I couldn't find a white one. I have to wait for next year year to acquire one. As you guys suggested, I planted them right away. Strangely enough our weather has gone from some frost to mild weather, so the mums have continued to bloom. That makes me happy. I see mums in pots every where and wish folks would plant them. It makes me sad these beautiful plants will die.

Well thanks to you guys I hope mine will do well in years to come. Smiling
Its easy for me to believe in miracles when science can't explain why a blade of grass has its shape and that is just one plant and one attribute.

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