All Things Gardening forum: Gardening experiment.

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Name: Jared Nicholes
Nampa, Idaho
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jnicholes
Oct 20, 2017 2:11 PM CST
Hello everyone!

I havent been on the forum for awhile due to there being not much to garden with all the cold there is now.

I wanted to share something with you all, an idea I had. Have you heard of Chinampa? They are artificial Islands made by to the Aztec and the Maya. I had an idea that would solve a lot of Agricultural space problems. It involves gardening. This is the article.

A rectangular area was staked out in a shallow lake bed. The rectangle was fenced in with waddle, which is reeds or thin strips of wood weaved through the stakes. the fenced off area was layered with lake sediment, decaying vegetation, and mud until it went above the lake. Trees like willows or cypress were planted on the corner sometimes to stabilize them. In some places the long raised beds had ditches between them giving them water for the plants to grow independently of rainfall or regular watering. Boats could pass through these easily.

It worked for the Aztecs for 1000 years. If this tactic was used for gardening, we would have more places to garden in the USA, increasing food and decreasing hunger in the USA.

I actually just got off the phone with Idaho State Department of Agriculture. They told me that it was legal, but there are two problems. First is Water Rights, second is a LOT of regulation research that needs to be done. Other than that, they said they LOVED the idea.

I am going to do a lot of research, and see if this can be done. What do you all think?

Jared
Name: Karen
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plantmanager
Oct 20, 2017 2:34 PM CST
Welcome back, Jared! It sounds like a feasible, and very interesting project. I'd like to know more about what you learn while you research it.
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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Oct 21, 2017 8:28 AM CST
Howdy there Jared 😎
Sounds interesting !
Biggest problem would be finding a stable lake ! 😕 ?
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Name: Jared Nicholes
Nampa, Idaho
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jnicholes
Oct 21, 2017 1:18 PM CST
Hello,

@Philipwonel, It is very interesting. What I mean by research is figuring out exactly what you said. The Aztecs area with the Chinampa was a very calm water area. It could be used in a lake if it was made of sturdy material that was both native and non invasive and/or pollutive. Plus all the fish stuff in the water would act as a natural fertilizer.

The Department of Agriculture said there is a lot of research to do for this, here is one of the reasons why. If it was in a river and was made of native material, and a piece of the Chinampa went downstream, it would be an invasive species somewhere else, possibly another state.

There is a lot of research to do for this, but I am prepared to do it. All I have to figure out is Water Rights and the research.

If you guys want to help, you can.

Jared
Name: Jared Nicholes
Nampa, Idaho
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jnicholes
Oct 22, 2017 4:06 PM CST
Hello,

Good news! A friend of mine from church said I could use his backyard fish pond for the experiment! It looks I am doing it next spring!

Jared
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purpleinopp
Oct 26, 2017 7:49 AM CST
Awesome! There is no reason for there to be such a gulf between agriculture and gardening.
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Name: Jared Nicholes
Nampa, Idaho
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jnicholes
Oct 26, 2017 9:41 AM CST
Hello,

Thank you. I now need to figure out a material that is able to do the job in the water and at the same time not pollute the water or harm wildlife. I am still looking for that material. Any ideas?

Jared
Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
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plantmanager
Oct 26, 2017 9:48 AM CST
I can't think of any particular product, but will try to think of something. That's wonderful that you now have a water pond to do the experiment!
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Oct 26, 2017 3:50 PM CST
I would assume it would be done with wood from trees growing in the area, of a type of wood that does not degrade quickly in water, and of course, not chemically treated. If you stuck a barricade of sticks/limbs of a fairly uniform size, so they would fit closely together in a row into the bottom of the lake, directly adjacent to each other, then filled the inside space with soil from the shore, it would just be normal material that would be in the lake if it did wash-out. A double-row of wood in an almost zig-zag pattern might be an easier arrangement to enclose if using rounded wood material. If you use wood with flat sides, a single row should be easy to align directly adjacently. Either way, a band of natural-fiber rope or other similar material around the top and bottom is what I would try using to ameliorate the pressure pushing outward since it would be filled above the water level.
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