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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Oct 22, 2017 6:34 PM CST
I just read an article that popped up on my home page about deer. It was undated. I know that Dave has previously stated that for 'various reasons' they are not dating articles that I presume were created during the last ownership of this site. To me, the date of an article is pretty key to relevancy. So, wondering what some of the various reasons might be to not date articles. Seems rather benign to me, but perhaps I'm missing something.
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dave
Oct 22, 2017 7:16 PM CST

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A lot of articles, we don't know the original date of. Others, they are so ancient that it doesn't look great to say it was published in 1983... The chief concern of that, I think, is it makes the site look old and out of date.
Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Oct 22, 2017 10:32 PM CST
I get that. But, for those of us reading them (and wondering how current the information is), how about putting the date in, if known, with a caveat that this is from the archives or something? That way, the article is still out there, but the readers know it may be outdated. Just a thought.
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Weedwhacker
Oct 23, 2017 8:06 AM CST
And if there are outdated articles -- maybe they should be updated?
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Seedfork
Oct 23, 2017 8:17 AM CST
I admit that a lot of good articles could be overlooked because of an old date being shown for it. I consider anything on the web to be out of date if a specific date is not shown. That is the first thing I look for normally on any web article, I want to know if it is up to date. Now if my follow up takes me to older articles that is O.K. but I like to start with up to date materials. I know it is the content of the articles that is important, if the old article is still relevant and does not have outdated material that is fine. It is a hard judgment to make sometimes I know. The articles should be judged by the content, not the date....but I would also much prefer the date be shown when known!
Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Oct 23, 2017 8:24 AM CST
Just a really quick browse through some of the articles in the houseplants section of the Learning Library turned up two (floating planters for ponds, and the complete houseplant reference) that give links for "more information" but those links no longer work. Having a date on the articles might at least somewhat explain why the links were broken.
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Leftwood
Oct 23, 2017 7:46 PM CST
While I personally would like to see dated articles, I don't see an overall benefit for the general gardener. Longtime gardeners already know that certain kinds of advice change with time, while other kinds are timeless. What I do see is new gardeners coming to this site, seeing "outdated material" and quickly leaving. They will wrongly assume that the entire site is questionably old.

Would you actually contend that the relatively new (but incredibly basic) eHow .com. on planting lilies, growing cannas, grow from seed, etc. videos are better just because they are newer? Certainly not!

Understandably, this is how any newbie wanting advice on any subject thinks: newly published info is better.

But not so: Quality is better. Thumbs up

I don't think there is a perfect solution to this "dating articles" question, unless someone wants to update them all, and then do it again and again, periodically. But certainly, truly outdated information needs to be corrected as it is found.

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dave
Oct 23, 2017 7:49 PM CST

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Well said, Rick.

As an aside, I'm pretty excited than an author from NGA's past is about to start writing brand new articles for us. Steve Frowine, author of the highly successful 'Orchids for Dummies' book, is going to be writing one new article each month about orchids. I've seen the first one, and it's excellent.
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Nov 4, 2017 10:15 AM CST
@Bonehead ...

I am glad you brought this topic up because I've wanted to share my two cents on this topic for a while, but I have been limiting my computer time to have more time for other things in my life. It's raining this morning, so I am on line for an hour.

One of the reasons I did not want to participate in the KNOWLEDGEBASE Q & A was that I was uncomfortable with the rose articles associated with the questions I would be interested in answering. Those articles included a lot of very dated information and also includes advice that would be quite misleading as the advice is not applicable nationwide. I think they reflect poorly on NGA. Yes, this is very much a personal opinion.

Leftwood said:While I personally would like to see dated articles, I don't see an overall benefit for the general gardener. Longtime gardeners already know that certain kinds of advice change with time, while other kinds are timeless. What I do see is new gardeners coming to this site, seeing "outdated material" and quickly leaving. They will wrongly assume that the entire site is questionably old.


Rick, actually, some of the old advice is better than what was published in many of the articles here as it was often based upon the botany of the plants, but so much has been learned with new scientific methods during our own gardening lifetimes that is missing, too.

Would you actually contend that the relatively new (but incredibly basic) eHow .com. on planting lilies, growing cannas, grow from seed, etc. videos are better just because they are newer? Certainly not!

Understandably, this is how any newbie wanting advice on any subject thinks: newly published info is better.


As usual, it depends. I know I've learned a lot on this site, but often it has just been a starting point for more research.

But not so: Quality is better. Thumbs up


I agree

I don't think there is a perfect solution to this "dating articles" question, unless someone wants to update them all, and then do it again and again, periodically. But certainly, truly outdated information needs to be corrected as it is found.



I agree that there is not a perfect solution, but maybe we can come up with a way site members can send some kind of message to @Dave or @Trish that an article should be pulled from rotation until it is reviewed and why. The article can be moved to a "Pending for Review" part of the db.

Updating a site is a LOT of work and I admire Dave and Trish for taking this task on to create a great site. If we can work out a way to tag some of these articles, maybe the NGA community can help.

Just my two cents.

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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Nov 4, 2017 1:44 PM CST
May just be me, but I find the embedded undated articles a bit on the dry side. No offense to any authors who may be on site. The upcoming orchid series carries no interest for me (I don't live in the tropics) and apparently will be a single author if I am reading correctly. I still miss the member articles, way more of a folksy idea sharing. So, time for me to unplug that feature and try something else on my home page. I do love the ability to change things around as my interest waxes and wanes.
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Feb 4, 2018 7:58 PM CST
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greene
Feb 4, 2018 8:24 PM CST
I can appreciate someone being impressed with contributions by a successfully published author...but...

Why can't someone (or several someones - there are an unlimited number of willing workers and volunteers who would like to be of some assistance) do a quick check for each older article, update the information as required, and add a line that says something like "this article from the NGA vault was updated on 'such-and-such a date"?

Speaking of appearing out of date/old...I am forever (personally) upset when I see the Welcome Forum which is for some reason the very last forum listed rather than the first (:confused: )...screen shot:
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The first item on the Welcome Forum was last updated 5 years ago. Blinking
I'd like to see all the Welcome help pages incorporated into just one single sticky, and yes, I am crazy for having things in some kind of alphabetical order to make it easier for the new folks...but that's just me. *Blush*

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