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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Jan 18, 2012 7:54 AM CST
I thought it could be some kind of big Schlumbergera sp.,
I googled all the species native but didn't get a match. The leaves are much bigger than a regular Schlumbergera too.
http://floradobrasil.jbrj.gov.br/2012/index?mode=sv&group=Ro...

I often found them in the wild as well as in gardens growing epiphytic on tree trunks..
These picture are taken in a friend's garden in Paraty.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 18, 2012 9:57 AM CST
Some info..

http://www.cssainc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie...

Schlumbergera orssichiana .. leaf edges too jagged.

http://cactusepiphytes.pagesperso-orange.fr/z_page_histoire_...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Schlumbergera+orssichiana&u...

schlumbergera kautskyi .. not a match

http://schlumbergera.net/species/schlumbergera-kautskyi/

Schlumbergera opuntioides .. definitely not a match!

http://schlumbergera.net/species/schlumbergera-opuntioides/

Schlumbergera russelliana .. doubt it.

http://schlumbergera.net/species/schlumbergera-russelliana/

Schlumbergera truncata .. jagged edges.

http://schlumbergera.net/species/schlumbergera-truncata/

Schlumbergera microsphaerica .. jagged edges.

Look at other genera.. Hattiora .. none match.

http://hatiora.net/

Epiphyllum .. possible!

http://www.f-lohmueller.de/cactus/Epiphyllum/Epiphyllum011.h...

I've looked at examples of about all the other genera in Cactaceae and can't find anything else so it's probably an Epiphyllum hybrid.

http://floradobrasil.jbrj.gov.br/2012/index?mode=sv&group=Ro...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Epiphyllum+hybrid&um=1&ie=U...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Jan 18, 2012 1:24 PM CST
Thank you Janet! Smiling I think I have found it! it is Epiphyllum oxypetalum.
The flower is gorgeous but it was not blooming the time I was there unfortunately. It is night-blooming and is called 'Dama da Noite'= 'Lady of the Night'.

My half-Brazilian friend has given me its popular name, should have asked her before! Rolling my eyes. There are more plants called that way but she recognized it by the flower.
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JRsbugs
Jan 18, 2012 1:45 PM CST
I checked Epiphyllum oxypetalum Myriam, there's very few Epiphyllum native to Brazil, only two species and a subspecies and none of those match. That one has long leaves without the joints.. how I wish I could grow it!

http://mykmanon.com/Flower_Page/Cactus2.htm

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Epiphyllum+oxypetalum&um=1&...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Jan 18, 2012 2:18 PM CST
True! I jumped too fast to conclusion! Rolling my eyes. The leaves don't match indeed!
I'm not sure if it would be a hybrid Epiphyllum, because I saw identical ones very often in the wild, or maybe a natural hybrid then? The ones I photographed in the garden were not planted but appeared spontaneously like most of the plants in that garden.
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JRsbugs
Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM CST
It could be a natural hybrid, or one which has escaped civilisation! Fancy that, not only can you grow such plants with ease there, they are free! Hilarious!
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Jan 18, 2012 4:47 PM CST
They even invite themselves! Hilarious!
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Jan 21, 2012 8:35 AM CST

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That is definitely an epiphyllum. It's unmistakable in every way.
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
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JB
Apr 27, 2014 9:29 AM CST
Had a friend of mine looking around ATP and when he saw this thread he told me he was sure it was a Rhipsalis crispata. May want to check that out and see what you think. nodding
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 27, 2014 9:31 AM CST
Reminds me of Rhipsalis elliptica
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 27, 2014 9:35 AM CST
oops ... I see JB mentioned Rhipsalis crispata

http://garden.org/apps/sets/view/1012/

http://rhipsalis.com/species/crispata.htm
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Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Apr 27, 2014 10:58 AM CST
It looks more like R. crispata then R. elliptica, don't you think, Lin? I have R. elliptica but not familiar with the other one.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 27, 2014 11:38 AM CST
Tee, it does look more like R. crispata. I used to have elliptica so I that's the one I thought of when I first saw Myriam's photos.
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JRsbugs
Apr 27, 2014 12:42 PM CST
Rhipsalis does look a good bet, there are several species in the area around Rio de Janeiro. R. pachyptera is one of them, I have checked out all the species and there is more than one which could fit this plant, Rhipsalis crispata is also present.

https://sites.google.com/site/florasbs/cactaceae/cacto-de-ar...

Rhipsalis crispata looks to have too many lobes ..

http://reflora.jbrj.gov.br/jabot/geral/ExibeFiguraFSIUC/Exib...



Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 27, 2014 1:44 PM CST
I'm still leaning towards Rhipsalis but don't know which it might be. For comparison, more images:

R. crispata: http://rhipsalis.com/species/crispata.htm

R. pachyptera: http://rhipsalis.com/species/pachyptera.htm
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JRsbugs
Apr 27, 2014 1:56 PM CST
I wouldn't even try to guess a species Lin, there are others which look very similar. The site I linked to for R. pachyptera shows photos in location in Brazil.
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Apr 28, 2014 12:40 AM CST
I'm glad this old thread got bumped up Jacquie! Thank you all for your input!

I've looked at both Rhipsalis crispata and elliptica of which crispata looks closer indeed, but still not a match.

Wow Janet you have checked out all 24 species occurring in the region!
I googled Rhipsalis pachyptera and this is the best candidate for now. I still have to check the others..

Maybe the new photos I took of what I think are of the same plant will shed a better light, especially because some show the fruiting bodies, these were all taken in the wild.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Apr 28, 2014 4:24 AM CST
The last two photos of fruiting bodies as well as the leaf shape do match Rhipsalis pachyptera well Myriam! There's more than one species in the illustration, look at #6.

http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illust...

I don't think the first two of your last set are the same though.

The above site has drawings of many species, it may or may not help. Hilarious!

http://www.plantillustrations.org/taxa.php?id_taxon=1717&lay...
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 28, 2014 6:46 AM CST
R. pachyptera does look like a match: http://rhipsalis.com/species/pachyptera.htm

No info or photo's in the ATP database yet. Rhipsalis (Rhipsalis pachyptera)
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Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Apr 28, 2014 7:10 AM CST
Yes, it does. nodding
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