DnD's ALL SEEDS SWAP (Int'l) #4: Seed Planting Instructions

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Name: Julie
Seattle (Zone 8a)
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Joolie
Nov 8, 2017 8:48 PM CST
So, I don't have the oomph to print out instructions to go with my seed packets, but I do want to give instructions about my rare(r) fuchsia, and have heard others say they want to give instructions with their seeds too. I don't want it to get lost in the discussion threads, so this thread is born. No chit-chat, just seed planting/germination/special care instructions for your seed offerings -- especially if they're less common plants or you have learned hard lessons you want to pass on to others!

If you have specific questions about the instructions given, ask in this thread - Q&A doesn't count as chit-chat. Big Grin
Name: Julie
Seattle (Zone 8a)
Birds Hummingbirder Region: Pacific Northwest
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Joolie
Nov 8, 2017 9:09 PM CST
Fuchsia Arborescens:

This is a somewhat rare plant, but very hearty, grows quickly and gets quite big. It is zone 10 and needs to be taken inside for the winter if you aren't in at least that zone.

Start the seeds indoors in a nice loose seed starting mix or coconut coir and lightly cover them. They don't need stratification. DO NOT PUT ON A HEATING PAD or put them under incandescent lighting or other lighting that will put out heat. These like room temperature and they get very crabby when they get too warm.

They're nearly indestructible even as tiny sprouts, so long as they don't get hot or subjected to soggy soil. If you have abundant germination like I did and have too many in one spot, you can tweeze them apart and transplant them elsewhere even if they haven't gotten their first true leaves yet. Keep the soil damp with a spray bottle but don't let it be perpetually soggy.

I germinated mine in an egg carton and transplanted to small coconut coir pots when they grew their first real leaves. The coconut coir pots are great for fuchsias because it prevents any "wet feet". They like to be evenly moist and will get grouchy if they sit in water, so having a pot that drains well is important.

They will do well under grow lights but limit the hours of light to sixteen or less. I accidentally (automated lighting system snafu!) subjected them to 18 hours of light/day for a week and nearly killed them all due to nutrient burn. Crying Most of them bounced back, though. It turns out it's pretty hard to kill these.

Pot up whenever they stop getting bigger, and stop at a one gallon pot while they're still indoors. At the one gallon size they'll try to bloom, and then you'll have pollen EVERYWHERE, so if you can't get them outside you'll want to pinch off any flower buds that appear.

When it's in the 60s outside, you can harden them off (they don't need much babying there either) and place them in part-sun. Keep them out of afternoon sun for the happiest plant. I kept mine in a 5 gallon grow bag all summer and fall and it was very happy. I potted up to 8 gallons so I expect it will get much bigger next year.

Once it gets to a foot or two tall you can start pruning it for shape, by pinching off the new growth if you want it to branch out or cutting off shoots if you want it to be more like a tree.

Feed it weekly when you want growth, withhold feeding if you can't pot it up right away and it's out of room, and water every few days or when the first inch of the soil is dry.

After blooming, it will produce round, dark blue/purple berries. If you want to get seeds, let the berries mature on the plant until the skin is dull-looking and it resembles a blueberry. After picking the biggest, fattest, juiciest one you can find, split it in half with an xacto knife and squeeze the pulp onto a piece of plain (not glossy) paper and spread the juice and pulp around. Let it dry and the seeds will come right up.

The fruit is also edible and the birds LOVE it. It's also bright freaking purple, so if you don't want purple bird poops, pick the fruit before the birds do.

I found that it kept flowering like mad even though I never ever deadheaded it.

The seeds you're getting from me may grow up with more than one leaf shape/style. There's a bright/light green glossy leaf, and a darker, matter green with red veins.

I think that's the long and short of it. I'll attach some pictures later. :D


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Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Nov 8, 2017 10:07 PM CST
Lewisia

They germinate well either started indoors under lights or wintersowed. If wintersowing-add gravel to the bottom of the jug.

Once you pot them up put them in a pot that has gravel on the bottom. They don't like to be wet but can somewhat tolerate it.

Do not plant out the year they germinate! Leave them in a pot for one year. If under lights they may bloom indoors. You can also overwinter in a pot in a greenhouse or cold frame/alpine house.

When planting make sure you add lots of rocks/grit to the planting hole. Likes alpine conditions (sharp drainage) best although they are more tolerant than some. Add a layer of rocks around the neck of the plant to keep the leaves dry.

Warning*-squirrels ate half of a plant I had planted in my backyard. Not sure why (looking for a corm?). The plant hung on for a bit but eventually died. Do what you can to discourage them!
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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jimard8
Nov 12, 2017 8:16 PM CST
I put a few tips in with my seeds ,a sort of general information paragraph , If I know and anyone wants information about any seeds received from me , ask , If I know , I will say what info I have ,
Not trying to distract or take from the thread Joolie .

I don't think I added instructions to the Cup Plant ,, It is a waterside swamp plant , For Lalalambchop 1
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 7b)
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Lalambchop1
Nov 13, 2017 1:43 AM CST
Thanks Jim. I have a bog garden that will make it a happy home.
Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
Name: Val
Near Boston, MA (Zone 6a)
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vma4922
Nov 13, 2017 8:59 AM CST
I think this is why it's helpful to put your names on the seed packs, tho I usually google if I dont know. We can always track you down and ask :D
Name: Kelli
Northern Nevada (Zone 6a)
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KelliW
Dec 4, 2017 3:45 PM CST
@joolie these little garlic bulbils are so cute! should they be planted directly outside this time of year? i live in zone 6. they are just so tiny i wanted to make sure first!
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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jimard8
Dec 4, 2017 3:50 PM CST
KelliW said:@joolie these little garlic bulbils are so cute! should they be planted directly outside this time of year? i live in zone 6. they are just so tiny i wanted to make sure first!



Garlic likes the early cool season weather , From me , I would say plant them . They are tiny to start though , like a blade of grass and they don't grow as fast as onions ,
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Name: Judy
Mid Atlantic Coastal Plain USA (Zone 7b)
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MariposaMaid
Dec 5, 2017 10:16 AM CST
Speaking of cute bulbils, here is a thread with info and links to info on how to treat the Hardy Begonia (Begonia grandis) bulbils from me. Hopefully we can all add our experiences and ask questions over on the Seed Forum.
The thread "Begonia grandis?" in Seeds forum

Since HBs emerge so late (sometimes end of June) I would suggest planting them now in a pot or six pack or container just to keep track of them, After reading above thread and links, keep pot indoors or place outside. If you haven't grown them before take a picture of the seedlings for future reference!

@acacius48, @EricaBraun, @ishareflowers, @Joolie, @KelliW, @Lalambchop1, @lovesblooms, @patrob, @vma4922
Name: Judy
Mid Atlantic Coastal Plain USA (Zone 7b)
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MariposaMaid
Dec 6, 2017 9:24 AM CST
MariposaMaid said:Speaking of cute bulbils, here is a thread with info and links to info on how to treat the Hardy Begonia (Begonia grandis) bulbils from me. Hopefully we can all add our experiences and ask questions over on the Seed Forum.
The thread "Begonia grandis?" in Seeds forum

Since HBs emerge so late (sometimes end of June) I would suggest planting them now in a pot or six pack or container just to keep track of them, After reading above thread and links, keep pot indoors or place outside. If you haven't grown them before take a picture of the seedlings for future reference

@acacius48, @EricaBraun, @ishareflowers, @Joolie, @KelliW, @Lalambchop1, @lovesblooms, @patrob, @vma4922

You have received fresh bulbils from my Hardy Begonia plants. Hardy Begonias produce both seeds in the flower heads and bulbils found along the leaf axils. Seed is fine and dust like. I included some dried flower heads in the same pack with the pink Hardy Begonia bulbils so you could try both seed and bulbils. Did not send flower heads for the white flowered 'alba' Begonia grandis.
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As soon as possible, sow the bulbils in pots, on the surface of the moist soil, then stick the pots in a plastic bag in the fridge for 4-8 weeks. This will mimic what would naturally occur in the garden. After you take them out they should germinate at room temperature in one to two weeks. Make sure to keep the soil moist at all times.

Do the same for seeds by crushing dried flower heads and sprinkling over moist soil.

Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 7b)
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Lalambchop1
Dec 6, 2017 10:01 AM CST
Judy,
Would wintersowing work as well?
Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
Name: Val
Near Boston, MA (Zone 6a)
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vma4922
Dec 6, 2017 11:19 AM CST
Judy,
I didnt know that...I have never looked that closely at my one plant...I assumed the seed pod was the only thing to plant.
THANK you
Val
Name: Judy
Mid Atlantic Coastal Plain USA (Zone 7b)
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MariposaMaid
Dec 6, 2017 1:19 PM CST
@Lalambchop1
I think Winter Sowing would work for Zone 7 and up, as bulbils when they naturally drop will sprout a little bit (note pointy end on some bulbils) and begin to pull themselves into the soil (protection)and grow some roots as winter cold sets in, much, to me, like acorns, and then send up top growth in the warmer end of spring. Zone 6 may already be too cold for them to settle in...I don't know...
Seeds should be fine for Winter Sowing as they don't really do anything until mid to late spring. The first year seedlings may be only small plants til following year... I like the bulbils because they are easier to pluck out as the bulbils stay attached!

@Vma4922 looks like you and nature have already winter sown your bulbils! Around
mid May look closely underneathe your plant for tiny little sprouts. You'll know them by their first tiny leaf just like the big ones with that shape and red veining. Some plants produce more bulbils than others and it fluctuates by years, too.
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Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 7b)
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Lalambchop1
Dec 6, 2017 5:39 PM CST
Thank you.
Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 7b)
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Lalambchop1
Dec 22, 2017 12:32 PM CST
For anyone who got Amaryllis seeds from me. I've not grown them from seed before so did some research and decided to try the water method. I'm very pleased with the germ rate. I took two clear plastic boxes that food had come in and filled them 1/2 way with distilled water. I would have added hydrogen peroxide but didn't have any at that point. They've done beautifully without. Below you can see my set-up. I have a strange shelf behind the tub in our guest bath. It's perfect for grow lights. When I dropped the seeds onto the water they floated happily. I tried to make sure they all had contact with the water.
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I have the lights on about 16 hours a day. I haven't done anything else. It's about 3-4 weeks since I started them. I was surprised to find that the first thing that emerges from the seed is not the radicle but a leaf! As you can see in the seed close-up, there are two leaves and the root. Lots of the seeds only have a leaf or two at this point.
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So now I will fill cell trays with potting soil and place a seed atop each one. I'll keep them under grow lights until spring. I"m also going to try a couple of WS jugs to see how they do that way. I'm SOOOO glad deer don't eat amaryllis.








Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
Name: Julie
Seattle (Zone 8a)
Birds Hummingbirder Region: Pacific Northwest
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Joolie
Dec 26, 2017 11:45 PM CST
@KelliW the garlic bulbils CAN be planted outside even in the winter (they're extremely hardy) but I wouldn't recommend it; they come up as very thin, grass-like sprouts that may be difficult to identify among other random sprouts and will easily be overtaken by weeds. I'd plant it indoors first. It will be like a chive, and won't take up much room. It takes around 3ish years for them to get full sized and don't require much tending if kept indoors but outdoors you'd have to keep a closer eye on them to make sure weeds didn't choke them.

If you plant them indoors you can also pack them a little more tightly in loose soil and then after a year pot them up.
Name: Colleen
Edgewood, NM (Zone 5b)
Live Long & Prosper.
Agoo
Jan 11, 2018 6:45 PM CST
Anyone got the planting bug yet?
I have planted a couple (or more trays) this past week. Just perrenials that take a long time to grow. I have them under grow lights right now. I just can't help it lol.
Come n I can't be the only one. *Blush*
Happy Gardening :-)
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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jimard8
Jan 11, 2018 8:24 PM CST
Agoo said:Anyone got the planting bug yet?
I have planted a couple (or more trays) this past week. Just perrenials that take a long time to grow. I have them under grow lights right now. I just can't help it lol.
Come n I can't be the only one. *Blush*



Couple Snapdragons


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In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
Name: Colleen
Edgewood, NM (Zone 5b)
Live Long & Prosper.
Agoo
Jan 14, 2018 12:03 PM CST
Jim those snapdragons look awesome. I. Just love snapdragons, they are considered an annual here, but I sometimes get them to come back for 2 - 3 years if I'm lucky. Rolling my eyes.
Happy Gardening :-)
Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 7b)
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Lalambchop1
Jan 14, 2018 2:39 PM CST
@Agoo,
I nabbed a bunch of bedding plants including snaps that someone had left on the curb to be picked up when the "season" was over and put them in my nursery bed. They're still hanging on.
Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15

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