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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 11, 2017 5:22 PM CST
Could we add Breeder and intro date for dahlias?

Might also consider add ADS code
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 14, 2017 6:56 AM CST
Here's the size and form chart that ADS uses.

for example AA SC LB is a giant, semi cactus with a light blend color.

Most suppliers in the US use these codes.

http://www.dahlia.org/uploads/...
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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Nov 14, 2017 10:28 AM CST

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frankrichards16 said:Could we add Breeder and intro date for dahlias?

We can ask Dave to add fields for Year Introduced and Hybridizer or Originator. I've looked up several cultivars on the ADS site but none list this data. Do you have a link with this information?
http://www.dahlia.org/guide/da...
http://www.dahlia.org/cgi-bin/...

frankrichards16 said:Here's the size and form chart that ADS uses.

for example AA SC LB is a giant, semi cactus with a light blend color.

Most suppliers in the US use these codes.

http://www.dahlia.org/uploads/...

Thanks for the link Frank. The three existing custom fields (form, color and size) appear to be set up per the ADS definitions so adding the codes/abbreviations to the end of the existing descriptions should be easy. I'll work on that.

Evan
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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Nov 14, 2017 2:29 PM CST

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Is this what you had in mind? I added one new form, Orchette (OT), and one new size, Single (S): over 2 inches in diameter, as per the ADS.

Form
Anemone-flowered (AN)
Ball (BA)
Straight Cactus (C)
Collarette (CO)
Formal Decorative (FD)
Incurved Cactus (IC)
Informal Decorative (ID)
Laciniated (V)
Miniature Ball (MB)
Mignon Single (MS)
Novelty (N)
Novelty Open (NO)
Novelty Fully Double (NX)
Orchid-flowering (O)
Orchette (OT)
Pompon (P)
Peony-flowering (PE)
Single (S)
Semi-Cactus (SC)
Stellar (ST)
Water Lily (WL)

Color
Bicolor (BI)
Bronze (BR)
Dark Blend (DB)
Dark Pink (DP
Dark Red (DR)
Flame Blend (FL)
Lavender (L)
Light Blend (LB)
Orange (OR)
Pink (PK)
Purple (PR)
Red (R)
Variegated (V)
White (W)
Yellow (Y)

Size
Giant (AA): over 10 inches in diameter.
Large (A): over 8 to 10 inches in diameter.
Medium (B): over 6 to 8 inches in diameter.
Small (BB): over 4 to 6 inches in diameter.
Miniature (M): up to 4 inches in diameter.
Ball (BA): over 3.5 inches in diameter.
Miniature Ball (MB): over 2 to 3.5 in. in dia.
Pompon (P): up to 2 inches in diameter.
Mignon Single (MS): up to 2 inches in diameter
Single (S): over 2 inches in diameter
Evan
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 14, 2017 2:32 PM CST
ADS has recently changed their database and have eliminated information on breeder and intro date as well as award data. I am not sure why they did that.

Also, ADS does not list dahlias that have not been "shown" in the past year, so many dahlias drop off their list.

There is a "text" database in the UK that contains a lot of info... I use it, but many of the US dahlias are missing

http://www.dahliaworld.co.uk/d...

There does not seem to be a good online database for dahlias, especially the new introductions.

BTW, ADS is really focused on "showing" dahlias and not on gardening...
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Nov 14, 2017 6:36 PM CST

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Thanks for link to THE GROWING WORLD OF DAHLIAS.

If the edits and additions are acceptable to you we can ask Dave to make these changes.
Evan
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 15, 2017 6:09 AM CST
look good to me, thanks
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Nov 15, 2017 10:16 AM CST

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@Dave, please change the Dahlia custom data fields as follows.

Add these data fields, at the top, with a write box.
Year Introduced
Hybridizer or Originator

Edit the existing data fields as below adding Orchette (OT) as a new form, and Single (S): over 2 inches in diameter as a new size.

Form
Anemone-flowered (AN)
Ball (BA)
Straight Cactus (C)
Collarette (CO)
Formal Decorative (FD)
Incurved Cactus (IC)
Informal Decorative (ID)
Laciniated (V)
Miniature Ball (MB)
Mignon Single (MS)
Novelty (N)
Novelty Open (NO)
Novelty Fully Double (NX)
Orchid-flowering (O)
Orchette (OT)
Pompon (P)
Peony-flowering (PE)
Single (S)
Semi-Cactus (SC)
Stellar (ST)
Water Lily (WL)

Color
Bicolor (BI)
Bronze (BR)
Dark Blend (DB)
Dark Pink (DP
Dark Red (DR)
Flame Blend (FL)
Lavender (L)
Light Blend (LB)
Orange (OR)
Pink (PK)
Purple (PR)
Red (R)
Variegated (V)
White (W)
Yellow (Y)

Size
Giant (AA): over 10 inches in diameter.
Large (A): over 8 to 10 inches in diameter.
Medium (B): over 6 to 8 inches in diameter.
Small (BB): over 4 to 6 inches in diameter.
Miniature (M): up to 4 inches in diameter.
Ball (BA): over 3.5 inches in diameter.
Miniature Ball (MB): over 2 to 3.5 in. in dia.
Pompon (P): up to 2 inches in diameter.
Mignon Single (MS): up to 2 inches in diameter
Single (S): over 2 inches in diameter
Evan
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Nov 15, 2017 10:44 AM CST

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Thanks @eclayne, this is all done!
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Nov 15, 2017 10:51 AM CST

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Looks great! Thanks much!
Evan
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Nov 25, 2017 3:38 PM CST

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I notice some entries have a country entered after the hybridizer's name. Would you like Country of Origin to be added @frankrichards16?
Evan
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Nov 25, 2017 3:43 PM CST

Plants Admin

I notice that the ADA and many growers mention this info so why don't we just add it.

Dave, Please add Country of Origin with a write box after Year Introduced. Thanks.
Evan
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Nov 26, 2017 6:58 AM CST

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Done! Smiling
Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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eclayne
Nov 26, 2017 9:43 AM CST

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Great! Thumbs up Thumbs up
Evan

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