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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 17, 2017 6:57 AM CST
I am trying out Aftershot Pro 3 as a replacement to Lightroom 6.

Adobe has announced that they will be dropping support of the standalone Lightroom at the end of the year. Instead they are focusing on Lightroom CC which is a subscription based product that costs $10/month.

Aftershot Pro 3 is currently on sale on their website for $48 or $35 for an upgrade.

So far, I am liking what I see.
North Carolina (Zone 7b)
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Tewhano
Nov 18, 2017 6:30 AM CST
I have never used Lightroom before so I can't compare the two products. I have used Corel software for years (starting with CorelDraw 9) and just started using Aftershot Pro 3 and I like it. I was surprised when trying to find video tutorials on using Aftershot that there was very little to be found. I shot all my photos in RAW and am impressed with the control Aftershot gives me in cleaning up errors I make. I only just started using a DSLR the beginning of this year so it is important to me to have that control.
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Plays in the sandbox Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter
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Pistil
Nov 18, 2017 12:15 PM CST
Hmm, interesting.
I had the stand-alone version of Lightroom, but upped to the subscription last spring. But now I have a Macintosh, and the newest version of the Apple photography program does most of what Lightroom did for me. And it's free. And I can go to the free workshops at the Apple Store to get help. I think I still need Photoshop though? Or are you finding Aftershot replaces that too?
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 18, 2017 12:40 PM CST
I generally do not need photoshop.

For a while, I was using ON1 photo 10 as a plugin to lightroom.

But, it ended up i could do most everything I wanted to do in lightroom.

I looked at the new apple photos, it is very good, but it did not do photo highlights as good as lightroom

I use apple photos for all my iPhone photos...

I have been having an issue with after shot with importing xmp metadata from raw photos that have already been processed. Specifically, when importing, it does not read the caption metadata. Working with support on this issue.

I have done very little photo development with after shotshot yet.






Name: Liz Shaw
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LizDTM
Nov 19, 2017 11:49 AM CST
Will Photoshop Elements work for you? It is really reasonably priced.
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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 19, 2017 12:42 PM CST
@LizDTM

Yes, I downloaded the trial version.... a good product

the two window approach for manage and develop is sometimes annoying.

the export is limited. Some of the competitors allow saving export configurations

evaluation in progress.

Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 20, 2017 12:05 PM CST
Aftershot Pro 3.

It does not search caption or title metadata. What were they thinking?

The two fields that are displayed with every flickr photo.

they do search the keywords, but I never put the name of a plant as a keyword.

Using Lightroom, if I want to upload a photo to the NGA database, I search on the plant name and select the photo(s) that I want to upload & export. This is an impossible task using Aftershot Pro 3.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 21, 2017 8:14 PM CST
I am looking at ACDSee as well.

The Mac version is in beta... and it crashes once in a while:)

The batch export is good, search is good...

But it does not play well with large folders of photos ( it hangs)

maybe this will be corrected...


Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Plays in the sandbox Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter
Winter Sowing
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Pistil
Nov 21, 2017 11:33 PM CST
The poor search function might be a deal breaker for me for Aftershot.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Nov 22, 2017 4:58 PM CST
I downloaded DxO photolab today.

I started it up and could not find any metadata for my photos.

Seems like they are focused on photo editing with little photo management...

Filtering was very limited, star rating was about it.

could not find a search tool.

Anybody use this software?
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

Garden Ideas: Master Level Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
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frankrichards16
Nov 22, 2017 6:34 PM CST
GPS metadata.

A limited number programs support and plot GPS metadata.

Adobe Lightroom and Elements

Apple Photos and Google photos.

Note that most DSLR cameras do not provide GPS data, while all smartphones do.

I try to put GPS data on my photos.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Dec 8, 2017 7:02 AM CST
Even though Lightroom 6 will not be supported by Adobe after this year, I will be able to use it.

If I buy a new camera I might have a problem with lightroom importing camera raw files.

However, a solution would be to use Adobe RAW Converter to convert camera raw files to DNG files. This is a solution that Adobe supports.

And, the DNG files could then be imported easily into Lightroom.

Adobe RAW is a free program (~300MB) so I have downloaded it for a try...
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Plays in the sandbox Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter
Winter Sowing
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Pistil
Dec 10, 2017 11:31 AM CST
Let us know how it works, I am interested in your plan.
All of this changes so fast, every time one thinks it's all figured out, it changes again.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Dec 11, 2017 12:53 PM CST
The problem I did not address is "it's all over when your computers operating system is upgraded and Lightroom 6 does not run"

well then, you have to stop upgrading your OS...

nothing is simple:)

Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN, USA zon
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Leftwood
Dec 11, 2017 2:20 PM CST
frankrichards16 said:well then, you have to stop upgrading your OS...


Or just don't use those fancy organizing programs at all. They will ALL become obsolete.

On the other hand, the simple folder system available on ALL computer systems will NEVER go out of style. I don't know why so many people find it so distasteful.
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Plays in the sandbox Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter
Winter Sowing
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Pistil
Dec 11, 2017 2:44 PM CST
Well, I am struggling with the internal photo programs too...
I had Windows, and it seemed OK, but the last "upgrade" a year or two ago really screwed things up. The photo modifying options were worse, and the program itself started with this hideous bug where it would reach into my trash can to find photos. Of course they were there because I was getting rid of them, The program would then give each one a new name, and plug it back into the album. I would end up sometimes with 10 copies of one bad photo, each with a different name! It was horrible and I could not find anyone who could help stop it.
So now I have a Macintosh. This one is way better, still has really annoying automatic settings, like it keeps randomly creating "Albums" for me Oh god do I need an album of photos of a label I took to the store? At least Apple has the Apple store, and I can get real help there, so I am using this program a lot. Also Apple keeps upgrading their photo processing software, and I don't use Lightroom anywhere near as much as before. Maybe soon I could get rid of it.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Dec 25, 2017 12:36 PM CST
@Leftwood

I believe the "folder" system alone is too limited to be very useful for large data sets. That's why we have Google Search for the web.

For example, if I want to display all the photos I have taken of a given plant, folders do not offer a good solution. I might have only one photo of the plant or I might have twenty and they might span several years. Also, I do have several thousand plants.

When I take photos, I import them all into one folder and apply metadata to each photo as I import. I do have a separate folder for each year. I used to file by year, month, day. But I never found that to be useful.

The new operating systems have very sophisticated search functions built in these days, which means that you can usually find what you are looking for. The folder system does not help.

If you add metadata to all your photos when you import them to your computer, the computer's search function will be able to find them (no matter what "folder" you put them in). On a side note, when I scan a document in my computer, I use the PDF/A format that allows complete searches of the document. In other words, I do not have to rely on searching for document names when I need to find something.

It seems to me that if you add metadata to files (especially photos and PDF files), you can search and display using a computers search function or a specific application (think photo management app).

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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN, USA zon
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Seed Starter Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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Leftwood
Dec 25, 2017 1:47 PM CST
There's more than one what to skin a cat, as they say. And to each, their own. I too, have several thousand plants and 1500+ species and varieties. About 8000 photographs taken in year 2017, of which I archive about half.
There are limits to whichever sytem you employ, and one must duly choose and adapt to meet their own needs. Smiling
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Dec 25, 2017 5:19 PM CST

@Leftwood

Rick, when you say you archive about half, does that mean that you keep half of the photos that you take?

If so, how do you select which photos to keep?

also, what does your folder structure look like? How do you find a specific 2017 photo?

Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN, USA zon
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Seed Starter Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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Leftwood
Dec 25, 2017 10:13 PM CST
Warning: Not for the sleepy-eyed or casually interested.....

Frank:
Yes, I do delete many shots. I take a lot of close-up and macro, and as you might know in such situations, the tiniest things that are insignificant in normal photos become major: the sun goes behind a cloud and it ruins the shot (or vice versa), you didn't notice until your 3rd try that a twig in the view is distracting, an unwanted ant crawls into view, an inch to the left is a completely different photo, etc. And rather than spending time editing photos to try to make them "perfect", I will often prefer to take multiple photos of the same at different settings for different effects, focus clarity (lots of macro shots), etc. So I have a lot of similar shots, and only the best ones make the grade.

Many of my photos are not only for my own documentation, but I need good detail as many are also destined for use in presentations viewed on large screens or walls. So I tend to be a pixel peeper. As you would expect, a photo of a poppy seed, for instance, needs all the definition a camera can muster for the big screen. And I only use a micro 4/3 sensor.

For file organization, I keep a smaller library, now consisting of 17,000 files and 860 folders, that is separate from my original photo file bank. These are ones that have likely received some editing (mostly cropping), but are also renamed according to subject (and/or Latin name if it is a plant), date, and the original file name is also retained. I add to this daily, or as photos are taken, as I know these particular photos I will want to go back and find or use them sometime in the future. (On some forums, I have a reputation for always having a relevant pic for the subject at hand, and this is why.)

So unlike most people who need to go looking for a pic in their original file bank - a big task, I have no long scrolling or laborious searching to find them. In fact most of the time, I don't even use the search function, because my folders are logically set up, and the file names in each folder are normally in alphabetical order, rather than file number or date. Of course, the native folder system of any OS (operating system) will have a built in chronological sort system. If I needed to search for a particular 2017 photo, I would search by the subject name I gave, then search within that group for the date, or vice versa.

Now lets say that particular photo is only in the original photo file bank, and not in my smaller library. Not a problem, as I can always find photos in my smaller library that associate chronologically with the photo I want. Since I retained the original file name, I use that to search for the area in the original file bank to find where it would approximately be, and it is not hard to find.

So for instance, the file name I gave for this pic is:
Phemeranthus sediformis seedsnm10Oct17 PA102030.jpg
Thumb of 2017-12-26/Leftwood/dc428a

I could find this photo easily through my own folder system, or by searching any permutation of "phemeranthus", "sediformis", "seeds", "seedsnm"(my designation for named and shown in millimeters), or the date.

The file structure itself is pretty subjective as it will change with the needs of every user. But for my plant stuffs, the basic divisions are first by:
- Seeds
- Seedlings
- Woody
- Herbaceous
- Conifer
- Miscellaneous
- ppt

then by:
- Genera
- Misc

The major key for my system is the file naming. Back when I started with windows 98, I thought hard about what I would need and the limitations of the OS, and came up with this. For me, it still works very well.

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