Plant ID forum: Crape Myrtle - please confirm

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Nov 18, 2017 1:32 PM CST
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 18, 2017 2:16 PM CST
It does appear to be a Crepe Myrtles (Lagerstroemia) but I don't know if it's Crepe Myrtle (Lagerstroemia 'Natchez') I'm not sure how to tell without blooms.
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DaisyI
Nov 18, 2017 3:15 PM CST
Yes, Crepe Myrtle (Lagerstroemia) but, as Lin said, wait for flowers. All Crepe Myrtle have red or orange fall color.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 18, 2017 3:29 PM CST
DaisyI said: All Crepe Myrtle have red or orange fall color.

Except here in Florida, where the leaves usually go from green ... to brownish .... to gone. When I see photos of the pretty fall colors that Crepe's attain in other parts of the country, it makes me wish I lived farther north. I've become really fond of the Black Diamond variety of Crepe Myrtle with the purple leaves! https://garden.org/plants/sear... I only have one of those (Ebony Flame) but I'd love to line the driveway with red and white or the blush shade! Lovey dubby

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porkpal
Nov 18, 2017 4:55 PM CST
No fall color here either - except the poison ivy on a good year.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Nov 18, 2017 6:49 PM CST
Really? Here is a photo I took in our yard one county south of NCRAS:

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plantladylin
Nov 18, 2017 9:08 PM CST
Confused What/where is NCRAS?

edited to say, sure is pretty color wherever it is! :)
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Name: Susan
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Muddy1
Nov 18, 2017 9:19 PM CST
I would say not 'Natchez', because mature Natchez Crepe Myrtles have very distinctive, peeling cinnamon-colored bark.
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terrafirma
Nov 18, 2017 9:34 PM CST
I agree with Muddy1 The Natchez does have a very beautiful "peeling" cinnamon bark. This one does not appear to be the same. 🤔 Wait for the bloom to tell you.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Nov 18, 2017 10:01 PM CST
plantladylin said: Confused What/where is NCRAS?



NCRAS is in San Joaquin County, the farthest north county in the Northern San Joaquin Valley. The county just north of San Joaquin Co is Sacramento Co, the furthest south county in the Sacramento Valley.

I lived in Stanislaus Co, our north border is San Joaquin Co's south border.

The separating line between the Sacramento Valley and the Northern San Joaquin Valley is the Sacramento River Delta. Got all that? Confused

The summer weather is hot and dry and winter gets to just below freezing. Average rainfall is about 15 inches.

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ViburnumValley
Nov 19, 2017 9:01 PM CST
OK, DaisyI, help us undo the confusion from what you've offered.

I get the geography of San Joaquin County (Stockton) to the north of Stanislaus County (Modesto) in California. However, you identify as Reno, NV - not in California at all. What gives...

Outside of all that, I'm tuned in to the wine-growing regions in the area, and not much more - being from Kentucky and all. Lodi is in San Joaquin County, which means a lot of the Zinfandel I like is from there, and not from your county.

Otherwise, I bet the conditions for growing a nice Lagerstroemia selection are not very different, California-wise.

I'd talk more about my perceptions of California wines and environs, should anyone be interested - but that would be a bit off-topic for this thread...
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NCRAS
Nov 19, 2017 9:06 PM CST
This first photo is from a "known" (I think) Crape Myrtle. This one tree gets aphids unlike the 5 others around the house. The nurseryman ID'ed this one when I was trying to figure out the aphids.
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The next two photos are of the original specimen photographed above and ID confirmation requested. For some reason, this and 3 others on the property seem a little different to me. "I think" there are different nuances if you will but I am likely to be absolutely wrong about that.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Nov 19, 2017 9:32 PM CST
There could be different nuances as there are a ton of varieties from 30 foot tall single trunked trees, multitrunked trees, large shrubs and 2 foot shrubs.

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Name: Susan
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Muddy1
Nov 20, 2017 1:42 PM CST
This is a useful link with sub-links on the Crepe Myrtle varieties introduced by the U.S. National Arboretum (although NCRAS' shrubs aren't necessarily National Arboretum introductions): http://usna.usda.gov/PhotoGall...
As this National Arboretum site explains, you can click on each variety name to access images of its flowers, fall foliage, and bark.

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