Lilies forum: So when do you start planning your Crosses for the next season?

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Name: Teresa
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TsFlowers
Nov 21, 2017 7:19 AM CST
Like for daylilies, I start getting excited in January with the new year, and start making a sheet of which daylilies I want to cross with another. So when do you start planning?

For lilies, I really don't do much hand-pollination. And it figures that the one selection I have made is the harder to grow on to full maturity. For two (three) years I have had a fascination with crossing 'Hot Line' with 'Salmon Star'. If I had more bulbs of 'Dizzy' I'd want to use it too (or try). 'Hot Line' has produced viable seeds for two years in the past. [I threw away a large portion of the first because I thought the seeds were only good one year.] I actually had 3 or 4 baby bulbs and put them from a pot to in the garden in a fixed box. Because of the nice airy potting mix I fill the boxes with, I've found the cats always want to use them as a litter box or for some reason the squirrels have made a mess of them. So the one with my 'Hot Line' x 'Salmon Star' babies got all upturned and downturned. Crying Same with my martagon babies. I don't know if I'll see anything in those boxes in 2018 or not.
. . . it's always better to ask questions, than jump to conclusions.
AND . . . always hear both sides of the story before making a judgment.
Name: Tracey
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Nov 21, 2017 6:27 PM CST

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Oriental x oriental crosses always produce a lot of seed for me. They are very compatible with each other. The length of time and conditions it takes to get them to bloom can require a bit of patience, 3-5 years from seed on average. That said, I still love trying to get them to bloom, even in zone 5, where they typically don't like the soil or the weather.

I like to freeze pollen making it available for any potential variety blooming at anytime. I'm one who doesn't always plan crosses but rather go by what looks particularly remarkable during the growing season, if that makes sense. Or after the pollinating season is over and I have harvested seed, make note of what to try again (yes, I will try again after failures if pollinations noting that temperatures and different weather conditions can make a difference).
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Name: della
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dellac
Nov 25, 2017 4:57 AM CST
I think I'm always dreaming up lily crosses, but planning is just that bit ..umm.... OK, mostly I wing it based on how seedlings perform from the moment they emerge and on what I'm trying to achieve. Then there are those tough ones I'm always trying to get seed from - they're always on the list and get just about anything thrown at them. Hilarious!

When I started buying cultivars again after many years, I chose those with traits I wanted to incorporate into my seedlings, with particular crosses in mind.

And sometimes... when you have an anther in your fingers... it just grows a mind of its own!!
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pardalinum
Nov 25, 2017 1:15 PM CST

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Now I have a vision of an anther dragging Della around her lily patch...
Name: della
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dellac
Nov 25, 2017 4:09 PM CST
Imagine when there's two or more and they flit off in opposite directions! Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Nov 25, 2017 4:59 PM CST
I think of them more as dowsing rods..... Big Grin

It's such a shame to waste good pollen.
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Name: della
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dellac
Nov 25, 2017 6:59 PM CST
Exactly! Let the pollen force guide you! nodding
Name: Teresa
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TsFlowers
Nov 25, 2017 7:07 PM CST
Hilarious! Hilarious! I needed a laugh this evening . . . thanks guys!!

After I had posted in another thread something about the lily I have the supplier called 'Pink Tiger', I'm getting the calling to see what happens with that. It's one of the first lump-sum lily bulbs I bought, and so they are waning, but now I've just got to try again to see, maybe it's pollen is good. I'm not sure if I posted a photo or not, but here is a 2002 photo:

Thumb of 2017-11-26/TsFlowers/7a97ed . . . It/they always get passed by a cutting time because I just don't like working with them into making an arrangement . . . I choose the easier ones.

I also have a clump of orange 'Henryi' lily and it has propagated itself in two other clumps in my garden. I don't like it specifically because it never stands up straight; always is leaning. And it's in full sun all day. (Perhaps this is a bad trait to breed with.) But that doesn't mean that it might not make some nice babies with manual pollination over self or insect pollination. It's current babies are pretty much just like itself.

I bought some martagon bulbs this fall too. Some from Brent & Becky's. Hopefully they will bloom 2018, but I don't know if it's a good idea to let them set seed their first year. ? I had heard that it wasn't.

. . . it's always better to ask questions, than jump to conclusions.
AND . . . always hear both sides of the story before making a judgment.
Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Nov 26, 2017 10:32 PM CST
The "leaning" is a natural trait for Lilium henryi. A closer look will reveal that the don't really lean in full sun at all, rather, they bend at specific point in the stem's growth. From the ground, you will note that the stem is vertical and sturdy to a certain point, then bends over and continues at that angle. It's a trait that is advantageous in the natural world, but not so much in the garden. But Lilium henryi is used in the parentage of many, many good lilies, because of the other good qualities it can pass on. It is much easier (and more quickly fruitful) to start with one of these for hybridizing, then to start from ground zero with a Lilium henryi.

In general, one wouldn't want to produce seed in the first season of growth from a newly planted martagon. Although this would not put the plant in danger of death, you will probably need to wait until year 3 to get to the size that it would have in year 2.
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
Nov 27, 2017 12:28 AM CST
Before buying....extensively.

I NEED to know all the quirky genes out there, I need to know all the strange wide crosses that have happened (i like to follow the path less ventured, not the one never ventured though).

I can plan forward several generations based on traits that I want to combine.

Then reality happens and things bloom out of order....It's far more chaotic than what I planned.
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)

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