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Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 11:50 AM CST
Hi everyone,

I'm a bit confused by our database requirements. I do understand that, to qualify for being a landscape photo, there need to be two or more plants in the photo, tagged (ID'ed) or not. However, sometimes, I notice photos with only one plant entered and accepted as being landscape photos. Does that mean that there are really no requirements for a photo to be considered a landscape?

And the reverse is true too. Sometimes, a photo that includes more than one plant is entered into the database and ID'ed as being only one plant, but the plants cannot be tagged. I once asked about this, thinking that more than one plant should be a landscape photo, and was told that it was okay because the specific plant was in the forefront. Whaaaaat?

Personally, not being an ID expert in every plant that exists, and being someone who relies heavily on our database not only for IDs but for information, I find this very confusing: If I'm looking at database photos of a particular plant and find that it has interesting foliage or flowers that I'm not seeing in other photos, I'm now wondering if it's really part of the plant? So now, instead of being able to trust ALL our database entries, I feel that I need to research plants on other sites. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a database, doesn't it?

Personally, I would prefer that database photos only have one plant in them to avoid confusion. But I do realize that I'm only one person, and I greatly appreciate all the work that goes into creating and maintaining this wonderful site, so if it's me that's off base, I understand. Still....
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 22, 2017 12:09 PM CST
Regarding the Landscape photos that only show a single plant, I may be wrong but I think administrator @Calif_Sue goes through those photos when time permits and moves or deletes those not appropriate for the category.

Regarding a Database photo that contains numerous plants (with the particular plant for that entry included in a bunch of other plants) ... the photo owner can add a comment to the "caption" area identifying the location of the particular plant but sometimes it's difficult to get people to add comments or captions. Sighing!
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Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 12:16 PM CST
plantladylin said:Regarding the Landscape photos that only show a single plant, I may be wrong but I think administrator @Calif_Sue goes through those photos when time permits and moves or deletes those not appropriate for the category.

Regarding a Database photo that contains numerous plants (with the particular plant for that entry included in a bunch of other plants) ... the photo owner can add a comment to the "caption" area identifying the location of the particular plant but sometimes it's difficult to get people to add comments or captions. Sighing!


Thanks Lin. But for the database photos with more than one plant, even if there is a comment, it really doesn't help much because one person's description, despite good intentions, might not do a great job at clarifying which plant is which. If you can't literally tag plants, then viewers cannot really tell which one is which. And without a comment? Well, people like me end up just being confused. Or maybe I should just speak for myself. I end up just being confused.

Unfortunately, this sometimes casts a shadow on other beautiful photos in the database. "Is that one plant? Or two? Or....????"
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Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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SunnyBorders
Nov 22, 2017 1:30 PM CST
Re landscape pictures which contain more than one plant/cultivar:

For the identification of the individual cultivars, as long as the correct/formal name of all cultivars included is given, can't viewers just look up the various cultivars in the Plant Database to identify which is which?
Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 1:36 PM CST
SunnyBorders said:Re landscape pictures which contain more than one plant/cultivar:

For the identification of the individual cultivars, as long as the correct/formal name of all cultivars included is given, can't viewers just look up the various cultivars in the Plant Database to identify which is which?


Yes! Even if no plants are tagged (you can upload a photo and not tag / name any plants), it doesn't matter for Landscape photos. My question (regarding landscape photos) is, is a photo of only one plant allowed in the Landscape category?
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Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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SunnyBorders
Nov 22, 2017 2:42 PM CST
As indicated elsewhere, changing the definition from "Multi-Plant Images" to "Landscape Photographs" was bound to result in some confusion.

Personally, I'd tend to associate a wide stretch of flowing lawn, with isolated clumps of trees and serpentine lakes (viz Capability Brown) with "landscape" as in landscape gardening.

As a mixed perennial gardener, I'd never extend use of the term "landscape" to describe the overall appearance of a combination of plants in a mixed perennial bed. It is perhaps confusing that we talk of "landscape design" with respect to gardens, but most of us don't have any reason to describe the parts, or the totality, of our gardens in terms of "landscapes".

On the other hand, displaying images of combinations of different plants which may have been found to work together, in particular areas, is a great idea. Also, lists of combinations to try could also be useful.
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 22, 2017 3:39 PM CST
joannakat said:My question (regarding landscape photos) is, is a photo of only one plant allowed in the Landscape category?


There is currently no criteria written on the Landscape Photos Front Page: https://garden.org/plants/mult... telling people that it is for multiple plants or Landscapes/Scenery only. Some members do seem to occasionally upload photos of a just a single plant or flower but I think administrator Calif_Sue goes through the Landscape Photos when time permits and either moves the photo to the correct database entry or deletes the "single plant photos" from the Landscape category.

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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Nov 22, 2017 3:51 PM CST
The simple solution to me would be to include an intro explaining what is appropriate (or not) for a landscape photo. With the latest surge toward 'pretty pictures with no tags' I can only see this feature becoming more vague. Which is not terrible, I like pretty pictures.
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Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Nov 22, 2017 4:00 PM CST
Earlier today I added two pictures of some extensive beds of spring flowers and one of an antique wagon wheel with a large plant of Basket of Gold. The former have not created any interest. The latter has received 4 Thumbs up Shrug!
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Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 4:10 PM CST
Bonehead said:The simple solution to me would be to include an intro explaining what is appropriate (or not) for a landscape photo. With the latest surge toward 'pretty pictures with no tags' I can only see this feature becoming more vague. Which is not terrible, I like pretty pictures.


Ooooo, no, I'm totally Thumbs down on the no tags idea. I love it when people tag plants in the Landscape photos! I love learning what all those gorgeous plants are! And there's a whole forum for pretty pictures! And wow, there are really some gorgeous ones there.
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Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 4:12 PM CST
Paul2032 said:Earlier today I added two pictures of some extensive beds of spring flowers and one of an antique wagon wheel with a large plant of Basket of Gold. The former have not created any interest. The latter has received 4 Thumbs up Shrug!


Well, now you've got some more Paul! Those are all gorgeous pictures. You could probably enter the wagon wheel one into the database for Basket of Gold.

Just wondering if these were taken in a public garden, or??? Absolutely gorgeous. Love them.
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Nov 22, 2017 4:35 PM CST
I agree with you, Joanna. I think all landscape photos should be tagged. But, that appears to be a losing battle, so I have reconciled myself with the fleeting glance at pretty photos that flash across my screen. As Paul notes, perhaps it is just a popularity contest. Goes against my idea of a functional database, but oh well.
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Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Nov 22, 2017 4:41 PM CST
Joanna.....The spring bulbs are in beds at the Mountain Timpanogos LDS Temple.......
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Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 4:46 PM CST
Bonehead said:I agree with you, Joanna. I think all landscape photos should be tagged.


I didn't say that.
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Name: Joanna
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 4:47 PM CST
Paul2032 said:Joanna.....The spring bulbs are in beds at the Mountain Timpanogos LDS Temple.......


Absolutely gorgeous. I had to check to see if you were downunder. Thumbs up
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Name: Deb
Pacific NW (Zone 8b)
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Bonehead
Nov 22, 2017 5:43 PM CST
joannakat said:

Ooooo, no, I'm totally Thumbs down on the no tags idea. I love it when people tag plants in the Landscape photos! I love learning what all those gorgeous plants are!


Sorry, Joanna, if I misconstrued what you meant. This is what I was agreeing with.
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Name: Paul
Utah (Zone 5b)
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Paul2032
Nov 22, 2017 5:45 PM CST
I am in the high desert state of Utah.........the second driest state.
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Name: Joanna
North Central Massachusetts (N (Zone 5b)
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joannakat
Nov 22, 2017 5:47 PM CST
Bonehead said:

Sorry, Joanna, if I misconstrued what you meant. This is what I was agreeing with.


No problem. I just wouldn't go as far as to say that I think all should be tagged. I just really appreciate and enjoy it when they are. If someone prefers not to tag, that's fine.
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Name: Lin
Florida Zone 9b, 10a

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plantladylin
Nov 22, 2017 6:11 PM CST
I love viewing beautiful landscape photos ... tags or no tags. Lovey dubby

Tagged plants are automatically associated with the database entry for each plant. If I happen to be curious about untagged/unidentified plants, I usually inquire of the photo owner to see if they happen to know what the plants might be. Smiling
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Name: Deb
Pacific NW (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Organic Gardener Deer Ferns Herbs Dragonflies
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Bonehead
Nov 22, 2017 6:12 PM CST
Since landscape photos are supposedly a feature of the database, I think they should all be tagged with name(s) of plants, location, and time of year. Otherwise this feature should be touted as what it has morphed into - the bucket of pretty pictures. Easy on the eyes, but unhelpful. Shrug.
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