Plant ID forum: Holly genus? Species? Pubescent leaf/mystery!

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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 12:52 PM CST
Hello! I just joined this group. I often have ID questions that some
of my other forums cannot answer. I grow organically, and wholesale to local nurseries. Occasionally a "mystery plant" comes up, & I must properly ID genus and species before propagation/cuttings. Im attempting to attach a picture or two, & I'm hoping for some info that will help me get an exact ID. Any helpful input is appreciated.
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greene
Nov 27, 2017 1:06 PM CST
Curious: what does the label say?

Edited to remove my guess.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 1:29 PM CST
@greene
The label says Ilex paraguariensis, which is what we were hoping to receive. However, being that we've grown "I para"(Yerba maté) before, we are stumped due to its leaf variation. The plant bearing the same name, that we grew in the past, has no pubescens on the leaf. The one pictured here, has this characteristic. Maté leaves (from my experience) have rounded ridges, but don't "come to a point". Any ideas? Thanks for looking!
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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 1:38 PM CST
This is an example of a leaf from 'Ilex paraguariensis' we've grown in the past. Notice the difference?



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Name: greene
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greene
Nov 27, 2017 1:41 PM CST
Others on this site are very experienced and use identification keys to make IDs. Some of the keys cost money and if you are a nursery, it may be a good investment.

I'll give a shoutout to @Horntoad to see if he can lead you to the identification keys.

Edited to remove information not relevant to the new subject.

Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 1:42 PM CST
I tip my hat to you.
Name: greene
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greene
Nov 27, 2017 1:47 PM CST
I see that you posted a similar question here:
https://garden.org/thread/view...
The subject there will more likely result in better answers.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 1:51 PM CST
Sighing!
@greene
I agree- and thanks again. I have so far been unable to figure out how to edit the subject title of my primary posting..that's why I posted twice.
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Name: greene
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greene
Nov 27, 2017 2:20 PM CST
Since the subject on the other thread is more exact, you could use the Suggest a Change option and ask that this thread (the one we are on right now) be deleted as it is a duplicate of the other. Scroll to the bottom and look for Suggest a Change, then Dave, Jon, or Trish can delete this one. It's always a good idea to keep all the answers in one place.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 2:27 PM CST
@greene
Done. Thanks again. Thank You!
(Actually suggested the subject title be changed...would like to keep all this info here)
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Name: greene
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greene
Nov 27, 2017 2:37 PM CST
Thumbs up After the subject gets changed, you can then suggest the duplicate thread be deleted. That will keep all the info in one place. Thumbs up
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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LoneStarNursery
Nov 27, 2017 2:38 PM CST
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wildflowers
Nov 30, 2017 6:01 PM CST
Interestingly, when I did a search of Ilex paraguariensis, I found leaves varied, some that look just like the ones you show for ID and others that look just like the ones in your example photo. Shrug! Could very well be Ilex paraguariensis. May need to give it a chance to grow, or if you can sample the leaf by taste??

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