Daylilies forum: What in the heck????

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Name: Catherine Moll
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dixiebelle426
Dec 2, 2017 11:09 AM CST
I grab a bag of potting soil today, grabbe my new pots, and was about to start planting my seeds. Opened my bag to find this, I am taking it back to the store.
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plantmanager
Dec 2, 2017 11:19 AM CST
YUCK!! Yes, back to the store!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Dec 2, 2017 11:43 AM CST
Ew, yes take it back. If you haven't done that yet, might I suggest not getting "Garden Soil" for starting seeds in pots? If it's anything like the Scotts one, it is for use in the garden and actually says It should not be used in pots or containers.
Name: Catherine Moll
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dixiebelle426
Dec 2, 2017 12:00 PM CST
I took it back am got an organic one this time. We'll I guess I am taking this one back also, and will go somewhere else.
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Name: Catherine Moll
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dixiebelle426
Dec 2, 2017 3:58 PM CST
Took that bag back also, and let the manager know, when I was leaving they was out there cutting bags open, every bag on the top of the piles were bad.
Name: Sue
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sooby
Dec 2, 2017 4:39 PM CST
Can you get something specifically for starting seeds (which should have little or no fertilizer in it)? You can also start daylily seeds in plain vermiculite or perlite and then pot them on into potting mix once they've been up and running a while.
Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
Dec 2, 2017 6:59 PM CST
I have had good success with various brands of seed starting mix including Pro-Mix and Jiffy.

Name: Arlene
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florange
Dec 2, 2017 7:19 PM CST
I have a strong preference for Jiffy seed starting mix. Great germination and healthy plants.
Name: Ina Novodvorsky
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Ina
Dec 3, 2017 7:22 AM CST
I go to the local nursery and buy their own mix. They will do up a bag if you ask. Costs a bit more but have always had good luck with it.
Name: Nikki
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Scatterbrain
Dec 3, 2017 8:08 AM CST
Catherine I hope you don't mind me saying this but those mixes look a bit heavy for seeds, even without all the gunge.

I have been using a mix of miracle-gro compost, perlite and seed compost for daylily seeds (the one I use is John Innes but I think that that might be a British brand). You want one that is fine and light, only a quarter to one third of the mix is the miracle gro, I find it just adds a bit more substance for roots to be secure rather that plain seed compost/perlite alone.

I have just remembered that you asked about daylily growers in the UK--sorry, I forgot all about it with the funeral and everything, my apologies.

Ones I have used and recommend are:

"Strictly Dayliles" in Cambridgeshire
"Woottons" in Norfolk
"Pollies Daylilies" (Pollie Maasz is a really nice lady and very helpful)
"A la Carte Daylilies" on the Isle of Wight (their site and catalogue are basic and not updated often but they are very nice and send good plants.)

If I think of any more I will tree-mail. Smiling
Name: Sue
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sooby
Dec 3, 2017 10:18 AM CST
Yes, John Innes is a British thing, I remember it is what we used there even when I was just a kid going with my grandfather to get it at the allotment supplier. They would not call it (or Miracle Gro) compost here in North America either. Compost here is decomposed plant material. The Miracle Gro would probably be called "potting soil" here, even though it is soilless. John Innes does have an element of sand or mineral soil in it, although there are different levels (numbers).

"Recipes" for John Innes "compost" from the RHS:
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/...
Name: Nikki
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Scatterbrain
Dec 3, 2017 5:46 PM CST
Thanks Sue,

I thought it was probably just British terms that I was using, sorry if I confused anyone. Smiling
Name: Catherine Moll
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dixiebelle426
Dec 4, 2017 2:18 PM CST
I starting my seeds in vermiculite, I will let them grow in that for a while before putting them in a potting soil mix. I am patiently waiting for my first sprouts to come up, today is only day 4. I will look at lowes for the jiffy seed starting mix.
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Name: Signet
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signet
Dec 4, 2017 2:52 PM CST
I use coconut coir to plant my seeds in . no muss no fuss nothing organic to mold or grow fungus in or whatever those slimy flowery shaped things were in your dirt ( some kind of mold I am assuming) . I get no fungus gnats (I used to lose a lot of plants to these little critters) or white fly or anything else . Plants grow spectacularly well in this stuff. It is nice and light ( friable) so roots dont have to strain to grow. I love the stuff. Only requirement is to keep it watered as you would any other seedling starter.
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Name: Catherine Moll
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dixiebelle426
Dec 4, 2017 3:21 PM CST
sooby said:Can you get something specifically for starting seeds (which should have little or no fertilizer in it)? You can also start daylily seeds in plain vermiculite or perlite and then pot them on into potting mix once they've been up and running a while.


@sooby
That's what I did, I had planned on filling my pots up half way with potting soil and the top half with vermiculite that was the seeds would be only in the vermiculite, but since I was not able to get good potting soil in town, I used all my vermiculite to get the seeds started, I had lots of seeds that had already showing little white knubs, and I was scared to leave them in the fridge any longer, they were in there for 4 weeks. In the next few weeks I will get more seed starting mix, and some good soil for them, and repot them after they have a good start growing.
Name: Catherine Moll
Ga. (Zone 8b)
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dixiebelle426
Dec 5, 2017 2:21 PM CST
I went to my local feed and seed place, and picked this up.
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Dec 5, 2017 5:29 PM CST
signet said:I use coconut coir to plant my seeds in.


I do too. I think I may have gotten that tip from YOU a while back. I LOVE this stuff.
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Dec 5, 2017 5:30 PM CST
dixiebelle426 said:Took that bag back also, and let the manager know, when I was leaving they was out there cutting bags open, every bag on the top of the piles were bad.


At least they took your complaint seriously. That doesn't always happen.

Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Dec 5, 2017 6:08 PM CST
signet said:I use coconut coir to plant my seeds in . no muss no fuss nothing organic to mold or grow fungus in or whatever those slimy flowery shaped things were in your dirt ( some kind of mold I am assuming) . I get no fungus gnats (I used to lose a lot of plants to these little critters) or white fly or anything else . Plants grow spectacularly well in this stuff. It is nice and light ( friable) so roots dont have to strain to grow. I love the stuff. Only requirement is to keep it watered as you would any other seedling starter.


I've used coir before, and it's generally good, but there are issues. Some of it can be high in salts, some of it is milled too finely and will pack down with watering. It's not a composted/aged product, but it's definitely organic. Based on prior experience with coir in my cactus/succulent and South African winter-growing bulb soil blends, the way I think of coir is that it has all of the water-holding capacity of peat, but with none of the antimicrobial properties.

Back to the present and daylilies. The product I used was General Hydroponics CoCoTek PX, which is coir pre-mixed with perlite, and I added a little more perlite when I used it for seeds. I also potted up a few new daylilies, using the CoCoTek PX straight out of the bag. After a few weeks I noticed that the daylilies were recovering, but growing slowly and with 'thin' new foliage. They were in full sun, and I was feeding them with a complete liquid fertilizer with minors, like I treat all new daylilies. The people at the indoor gardening store where I bought the coir said that because coir is strictly fiber, it has no nutrients, and the plants were probably suffering from a calcium deficiency. They sold me a Cal-Mag supplement designed specifically for use with coir 'soils', and that took care of the problem. I started using Cal-Mag on everything, (except carnivorous plants, which generally don't like calcium) because it seems to give the plants a boost. I figure that this is probably because a lot of my container plants are overdue for repotting, and have used up all of the lime in their soil.

Fungus gnats will infest coir pots, but coir doesn't come pre-packaged with eggs and larvae like most potting soils do.

Potting soils are mostly junk these days, since every municipal waste disposal site has a composting setup. Whereas potting soils of the past were made from ground bark, sand, peat and perlite, now they're generally made from pallets, scrap wood, tree trimmings and general yard waste. Ground up wood is probably the worst thing you could try to grow a plant in. If kept wet, it decomposes quickly to muck, and if kept on the dry side, it can develop rampant mycelium growth to the point where the entire soil mass becomes waterproof. Bark is much more resistant to breakdown.

I've settled on an outstanding, if unconventional, soil mix for my containers;
5 parts 1/4" fir bark
1 part perlite
1 part quality potting soil
Dolomitic lime
Regular feeding with Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro (9-3-6)

Foliage-Pro has a full range of trace elements, plus calcium.

I first discovered this formula and method on another gardening site.
Search the Internet for "5-1-1" soil mix for more in-depth info and discussion.
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Dec 5, 2017 6:16 PM CST
@dixiebelle426

ProMix is good stuff. It's usually what I use for seeds.

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