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Fenelon Falls, Ontario
Xanuary
Dec 5, 2017 4:14 PM CST
This tree grows in my front yard, under almost full sunlight Thumb of 2017-12-05/Xanuary/8bfd99

Its has a straight stock, with a large knot before the branches. The branches are very crooked and winding and thin out towards the ends, with small buds growing from the thin branch parts. The bark on the stock is slightly orange, while the moss growing on it seems to be blueish. Please help me identify, it has not been blooming lately and I would like to help it along, but I'm not sure what kind of tree it is to apply the correct help.
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Silversurfer
Dec 5, 2017 5:02 PM CST
It looks like a weeping cherry. ...Prunus sp.
They are often grafted on the top of another similar Prunus sp..to give a good straight trunk.

The knot is where the graft is...bottom, including roots and trunk meets flowering weeping top part.

In your case part of the top weeping part appears to have died.

It may be a flowering ornamental cherry..the flowers may be white or pink.
It will flower in the spring.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

P.S. At the bottom of the trunk are many straight shoots...these are suckers and should be removed.

Sadly your tree has had so much damage it may have become diseased and many not survive.
Even if it does flower next year it will never be a perfect symmetrical round shape.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Dec 5, 2017 5:40 PM CST
Welcome!

It is a Kwanzan Cherry (Prunus serrulata; 'Kwanzan'): There is a rootstock, an interstem (Paperbark Cherry in this case) and the weeping cherry top. Three tree pieces grafted into one tree. Unfortunately, your tree is failing - not an uncommon occurrence with these trees.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Dec 5, 2017 6:44 PM CST
I think Fenelon Falls would be USDA Zone 4, which would be out of recommended hardiness range for 'Kwanzan'. I'd suspect it is something else, or if that is what it is then that may be its problem.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Dec 5, 2017 8:03 PM CST
They grow in Montreal, which is a little further north, so I thought Fenelon Falls wasn't out of the question.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Dec 5, 2017 8:46 PM CST
You're right, it is further north but I think it is a zone warmer. There'd be the city heat island effect anyway, if not. Where does it grow in Montreal? Fenelon Falls is rural so it wouldn't have the same city heat effect. Fenelon Falls is also at a higher elevation unless the Monreal ones are up on Mont Royal. I just seem to recall that they don't grow around here but I could be wrong (I'm between Fenelon Falls and Montreal).
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Dec 5, 2017 10:44 PM CST
I was wondering around the interweb trying to determine if Kwanzan's would live in Ontario and came across this article:

http://montrealgazette.com/lif...

I have been trying to find more information on double grafted cherry trees other than Kwanzan that use Paperbark Cherry as an interstem. First, I think we need to find out if the flowers (when it did bloom) were pink or white, double or single.

And, do you think its the cherry trees that aren't hardy to zone 4? Or the particular cultivators?
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Dec 6, 2017 8:23 AM CST
Double pink flowered weeping Prunus around here are more likely to be flowering almonds. The totally covered in flowers in spring types are more likely to be crabapples as far as I can tell. I'm really not sure what ornamental flowering cherries might be hardy to Zone 4 (microclimates notwithstanding). I remember looking up 'Kwanzan' years ago when I moved here from a much milder climate where it was common - not sure if I was trying to identify a tree or thinking of getting one, and concluded it wouldn't work.

I have an older sourcebook for buying plants in Canada and it lists 'Kwanzan' as hardy to Zone 6b but that is most likely the Canadian zone system and the USDA equivalent is generally lower, like 5, which would tie in with most listings of 'Kwanzan' as hardy to USDA Zone 5. The book doesn't list any of the really spectacular ornamental flowering cherries as hardy enough for Zone 4 although there are plenty of other Prunus that are (however it is an old book).

The book lists nurseries that carried 'Kwanzan' back then and none in Ontario were north of Toronto. SW Ontario is much milder in winter than Eastern Ontario. It's always possible that the garden in Fenelon Falls is sheltered enough to be Zone 5 I suppose, and it is close enough that the tree could have been purchased around Toronto.
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Silversurfer
Dec 6, 2017 9:24 AM CST
The trunk has lenticels typical of cherry.
Until we see pics showing the flowers it is merely guess work as to which Prunus sp it may be.

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