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Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 10, 2017 8:39 AM CST
OK, sports fans -
I'm (informally) charged to produce petunias for my new neighbors down the street. These people have been friendly and helpful (brought the young men down on Youth Day and stacked over half our winter's firewood!), and I'd like to reciprocate. They have said they like Supertunias, but I'll confess to not seeing a listing (that I can trust) for such in any of my seed catalogs. But I've gone back to my trusted and true E&R seed catalog (which has bulk seed listings) and I'm debating over wave vs tidal wave vs shock wave petunias as an alternative.
This past season, I saw that the plantings they'd done of petunias were around their mailbox, a big planter box by the front door, and some flowers mixed in with the veggies. Mostly their gardening efforts are towards producing food (they're Amish - not much time for big flower displays and pretty landscaping), and I think what they like about the supertunias they've bought from some of their brethren was their constant heavy flowerings without the need for extensive deadheading.
So - thoughts, anyone?
Alex
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
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Pistil
Dec 10, 2017 2:04 PM CST
Hi Alex-
About 10 years ago I got a Tidal Wave Purple petunia for a planter. It grew into a dense shrub-like plant larger than 2x2 feet! It flowered until frost. I never once deadheaded them. The day before the frost I cut myself a bouquet from the remaining flowers in the garden, put it on my kitchen windowsill. The petunia blooms stayed looking nice for a few months, then they rooted in the glass of water. In the spring I put 3 planters out with them!
It is the best Petunia I ever grew. The Shock Waves I think are newer, could therefore be better but how could anything be better, except maybe a different color.
Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 10, 2017 2:48 PM CST
Mary - thanks for your reply! As a matter of fact, I was already leaning in the direction of the Tidal waves, and you may have tipped the scale in their favor. Thank You! The shock waves, from what I've read today, seem like they may be more contained than the regular waves and the tidals, which may not be really what's wanted. There's also an Easy Wave - sort of curious about how it compares, per others' experience. Hope I get some more feedback on the question.
Alex
Calgary Alberta (Zone 4a)
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j52
Dec 11, 2017 6:49 PM CST
I do several yards with Petunias for customers each spring. I always spend time pouring over what I have growing and check and double check their growth habits listed in an old seed catalogue. I find the Tidal and Avalanche will do well spreading over a flower bed. The easy waves I use in smaller baskets and pots. The original wave I use for it's draping habit. Some of these waves grow in mound form, it's fun matching them all up to do well and look good.
A few shots of some of my Petunias in my back yard from the past two summers
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Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 11, 2017 7:23 PM CST
j52 - lovely arrangements! Like that coral shade in the last one - which one of the waves is that?
Once again, I'm thinking maybe Tidal waves are the answer. Thank you for your input! Thank You!
Alex
Calgary Alberta (Zone 4a)
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j52
Dec 11, 2017 7:50 PM CST
Hello Samhain,
That one is actually not a wave. And the mistake I made, summer before last, was not giving them support around with an original wave that just drapes down. I corrected that mistake last spring. Those coral coloured Petunias are called African Sunset. A good name because as the sun sets those Petunias just jump out at you. The colour is amazing, truly. They are a must have for me now and just need a bit of support to keep them upright.
Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 11, 2017 8:07 PM CST
j52 - I wondered if maybe that was African Sunset! I thought the color in the catalogs was wonderful, but they described them as being very touchy as to germination. I'm fairly good with starting from seed, but didn't want to add any extra aggravation to something that I was starting for someone else. If I felt like spending the extra money, I'd start some in addition to the other just for me, but I'd already been thinking I wanted to start some grandiflora dbls - it starts to add up, doesn't it? Guess I'll see what I think when the time comes to order...which may be soon. :)
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
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Pistil
Dec 12, 2017 11:04 AM CST
Hmmm, those pics are great, but now I want some African Sunset Petunias for my my porch planters. Key bit of info-do they require deadheading?
Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 14, 2017 11:23 AM CST
Mary - I waited to see if j52 would answer that first, but I'll say (no personal experience, though) that the catalogs say no.
Name: Danita
GA (Zone 7b)
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Danita
Dec 14, 2017 12:05 PM CST
FYI, African Sunset Petunias were just pulled from the market in the USA this spring (along with other orange forms and other colors with the orange forms in their background). It was discovered that they contain genetically engineered genes with DNA from corn/maize.
Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 14, 2017 12:31 PM CST
Danita - thanks for clarifying that. I didn't add that I had tried to buy some from E&R just a few days ago when I ordered my Tidal waves (I decided on Hot Pink Thumbs up ), and was told they'd been discontinued, but that he didn't quite understand the reason.
Calgary Alberta (Zone 4a)
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j52
Dec 17, 2017 5:25 PM CST
Sorry for the late response, I don't dead head the African Sunsets, well I do tidy them up if we have had a hard rain. Trick is to give them support, in bigger pots I plant them quite low in the pot so that they have the side of the pot holding them up. That picture of the big pot with the geraniums beside it is an example. The soil is only halfway up.
Calgary Alberta (Zone 4a)
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j52
Dec 17, 2017 5:28 PM CST
Oh, well I still have plenty of African Sunset seed.
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j52
Dec 17, 2017 5:36 PM CST
I read that anti GM groups suggest the modified petunias might be harmful to insects. Suggest and might are the key words, how about science proves...
Honestly, I suggest messing with human genetics might be harmful, chances are, wouldn't be surprised, I told you so....
Calgary Alberta (Zone 4a)
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j52
Dec 17, 2017 5:40 PM CST
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Name: Alex
mid MI (Zone 5a)
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samhain10
Dec 17, 2017 7:34 PM CST
Hmmm...interesting, j52. I can't see how it would matter in a petunia, though, no one is mentioning in that article (or did they? I sort of skim-read it) whether, since the genes were from corn, if it posed a danger to commercial corn crops? Is that even possible? Sure were a pretty color. Sad
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Plays in the sandbox Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter
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Pistil
Dec 17, 2017 7:37 PM CST
Oh dear, that was a disturbing article.
Calgary Alberta (Zone 4a)
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j52
Dec 17, 2017 8:53 PM CST
Well so far there is no evidence that GM crops are harmful. I understand there's a lot of GM that goes on in medicine and even GM human embryos. That scares me for sure.

But it's sad that my favourite Petunia has turned out to an outlaw. Soo pretty.
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
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ctcarol
Dec 17, 2017 9:38 PM CST
My attitude is if I'm not likely to eat it, and the pollinators aren't going to suffer from it, it's progress.
Name: Joanna
North Central Massachusetts (N (Zone 5b)
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joannakat
Dec 17, 2017 9:40 PM CST
j52 said:Well so far there is no evidence that GM crops are harmful. I understand there's a lot of GM that goes on in medicine and even GM human embryos. That scares me for sure.

But it's sad that my favourite Petunia has turned out to an outlaw. Soo pretty.


If you're talking about a flower, by the time the type of evidence you're looking for is available, it'll be too late. The damage will have been done.

If you're talking about GM crops? There is evidence. The damage is financial and environmental. But that's a conversation for a different thread. This one is about petunias!

Last year, I ordered Silver Tidal Wave and got some very nice plants. But once they were planted and started to produce flowers, I realized they were something else. The seller will replace them with the Silver Tidal Wave in the spring and I expect them to be overflowing very quickly. Out my way (north-central MA), petunias are considered annuals so I'm VERY glad to hear that they can be rooted! I'll take some cuttings before the end of the season and never have to buy them ever again (I hope!)

Here's a great picture of what the Tidal Wave can do--
https://www.whiteflowerfarm.co...

@samhain10, it looks like you've already made your decision. Most likely, whatever you do will be appreciated. How lovely that you live in the proximity of an Amish community. It must be quite an experience.

And just for fun, here's a picture of the NOID petunias I got.

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