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East Texas (Zone 8b)
LuisaC
Dec 16, 2017 7:36 AM CST
I was just curious, is it difficult to grow avocados? what about dates? I imagine for the dates there has to be a dry hot area, does anybody have any experience with either plant or both?
just curious.....................
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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Dec 16, 2017 9:09 AM CST
Queen Dates ! Do you have 17 years to wait ? Dangerous to harvest, with huge thorns on them. Side branches a ( pain ) to maintain, thorns also.

Avocadoes. There is a variety for warm climates.
They also will withstand cold temps down to 15 degree F.
There, Mexicola Stuart Improved.
There a cocktail avocado, thin skinned, you eat skin and all.
Winter harvest.
Bacon variety will take down to 30F.
All avocadoes take around 7 yrs to produce.
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Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Dec 16, 2017 1:08 PM CST
The Mexicola is the only avocado to try in Zone 8b. The fruits are big, the skin is thin and edible. Although the literature says they ripen by August, mine (had a Mexicola grande improved) ripened in October and the first part of November.

I protected the tree trunk in its early years by wrapping it in Christmas lights (not an option anymore unless you saved some of those old fashioned ones). They produce in 7 to 9 years and Mexicola don't need a pollinator - the tree produces both Type A and Type B flowers.

They are cold hardy down to 18 degrees but mine survived temps of 10 degrees in any early 1990's cold blast. I added "trouble lights" to the Christmas lights then and the tree was fine. A friend and I mail ordered a tree each - mine survived and her's did not but she did not try to keep the trunk warm for the first 5 years or so. Friends attempting Bacon avocados did not long term success.

Edited to add: Date Palms are not an option.
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East Texas (Zone 8b)
LuisaC
Dec 17, 2017 3:13 PM CST
Thank You!
Interesting information. I might try the avocados, i might try to find them.
Dates... oh well, i guess i just keep buying them in the stores!
thank you all
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
Sunset zone 22, USDA zone 10 A.
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ctcarol
Dec 17, 2017 4:42 PM CST
They grow Dates in Indio, Ca. Sunset zone 13. "Summer highs average 107 F. with spikes to 120, and winter lows average 40F. with up to 15 frosty nights per year, and rare drops to 27-15F."
Name: Joanna
North Central Massachusetts (N (Zone 5b)
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joannakat
Dec 17, 2017 4:58 PM CST
Avocados are known in CA as a great tax deduction because they usually take several years of care before they begin producing fruit. Once they get going though, wow! You'll have more than you can use.

A word of caution if you decide to go with one or more avocado trees--be sure that you don't plant them over your sewer or water lines. We had one over our sewer line where I grew up. OMG, it was the constant source of material for nightmares. Very serious yuck!

It's not always dry in the Middle East. It can be extremely humid sometimes.

Try Googling "growing dates in [where you live]." There should be quite a few articles.
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
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ctcarol
Dec 17, 2017 6:41 PM CST
Joanna is right about the avocados. They need lots of room and grow very large. Planted in the wrong area, they can cause lots of problems. I had planted a seed grown one in the back of my mobile home lot. It thrived, and last year I got about 600 fruits from it. When the rains came, and the strong winds, trees were coming down all over the area. I realized that If mine came down, it would take both my and my neighbor's roofs and the electric for 7 units, as well as the gas meter next door, which would have 79 units without utilities. I really miss that tree, but...
Name: Joanna
North Central Massachusetts (N (Zone 5b)
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joannakat
Dec 17, 2017 6:48 PM CST
ctcarol said:Joanna is right about the avocados. They need lots of room and grow very large. Planted in the wrong area, they can cause lots of problems. I had planted a seed grown one in the back of my mobile home lot. It thrived, and last year I got about 600 fruits from it. When the rains came, and the strong winds, trees were coming down all over the area. I realized that If mine came down, it would take both my and my neighbor's roofs and the electric for 7 units, as well as the gas meter next door, which would have 79 units without utilities. I really miss that tree, but...


Oh, Carol, you're making me wish we had a pout emoji. Maybe this will do? Sad It's so sad when you have to take down a tree, especially after nurturing it from seed.

The first place I owned had an avocado tree that had been there for over a decade. The neighbor had one too and they formed the most beautiful canopy. The fruit would tree ripen and fall to the ground. Our two dogs (samoyeds) would eat them, one after another, and boy, what that did to them! Let's just say that cleaning up after their toileting became extremely difficult. But OMGoodness, they had beautiful coats! Hilarious!
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
Sunset zone 22, USDA zone 10 A.
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ctcarol
Dec 17, 2017 7:03 PM CST
Yeah, It broke my heart (and cost a good deal) to have it removed, but in my old age, I have accepted responsibility. Many of my neighbors miss it too.

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