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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Dec 19, 2017 7:03 PM CST
I'm always curious (and often confused) when reading Orchid names and I wonder what the 'NN' means in the Oncidium below. All three list Parentage as: Twinkle X Oncidium sotoanum but I got confused when I saw one with 'NN#1' and another with just the 'No.1'. Are the names different because different people hybridized and named them?
Orchid (Oncidium Tsiku Marguerite)
Orchid (Oncidium Tsiku Marguerite 'NN #1')
Orchid (Oncidium Tsiku Marguerite 'No. 1')
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sugarcane
Dec 19, 2017 7:24 PM CST
I believe it's an abbreviation for Newman's Nursery ( they are in Hawaii)
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dyzzypyxxy
Dec 19, 2017 7:26 PM CST
I'm not sure, Lin but you sure are not the only person who gets confused over orchid names.

I'm sure @BigBill or @Ursula will be along shortly to explain this anomaly to us both.
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Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Dec 19, 2017 8:33 PM CST

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How about - someone made a hybrid of Oncidium Twinkle x Oncidium sotoanum and registered the hybrid as Oncidium Tsiku Marguerite.
As the group of babies plants started to bloom, the grower looked at the display of blooms and picked out a couple of plants which he thought superior and assigned so-called cultivar or clonal names to those particular plants, usually for awards purposes (and subsequent breeding). In this case, as Lindsey mentioned the name of the nursery, and the hybridizer chose the names 'NN#1' and 'No 1'. He could have given it different names, like 'Golden Beauty' or whatever! Some names are perfect descriptions, others not so much.
Clonal names are always written in single quotation marks and always capitalized.
If this Orchid with a particular clonal name is propagated down the road by meristem cloning, ( a different method of propagation/ not using a toothpick ) all resulting plants will carry that same clonal name and and theoretically they should all look identical. This is opposite from regular hybridization ( perhaps selfing in this case), where siblings can be very different from each other. ..... back to the beginning.... Smiling
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Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Dec 19, 2017 8:45 PM CST

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I should add that sometimes hybridizers like to repeat a certain, very popular cross. Many times that happens 20 years or so later, and one could imagine that one sees new cultivar / clonal names assigned to those selected plants.

I wonder, @BigBill? Can I buy a certain pretty Orchid hybrid and assign my own clonal name to that? I think so, but I am not sure on that.
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BigBill
Dec 19, 2017 8:55 PM CST
The way the 'NN' is used here, it is a clonal name.
In a typical orchid name, be it a species or hybrid, the first part, the genus, is capitalized. ie Cattleya or Miltonia, or Rhyncholaelia.
The second part is not so simple. But if we are talking about a species of orchid, the Genus name is capitalized ie Cattleya, the species name is lower case. Cattleya intermedia, Oncidium speciosum, Vanda coerulea, are all species orchids. They are found naturally occurring in nature.
When you see Cattleya intermedia 'aquinii', that is a particular variety of the species Cattleya intermedia. Intermedia can be a white flower, pinkish flower, white with a darker lip. There are numerous forms of many species.
"Aquinii" happens to be a peloric form of the species Cattleya intermedia. It is a flower that looks as if it has three lips.
Hybridizers often assign clonal names in order to separate one plant of a species from another. You can store pollen in the fridge so in this manner you can cross a fall blooming plant with a spring bloomer. When a hybridizer pulls pollen from the fridge, the clonal name tells him or her that they have the right pollen. Say I am using Guaranthae bowringiana as a breeding plant. Guaranthae is the genus name, bowringiana is the species name. Now say I have a very dark form of bowringiana. I might give it the clonal name "Dark". It allows me to be certain that this plant is the dark flower that I have been wanting to cross or breed with something else. It would be named like this on a tag: Guaranthae bowringiana var. Dark OR Guaranthae bowringiana 'Dark'. Either way is acceptable.
The most common mistake I see is this: Oncidium Maculatum for example. Maculatum IS A Species so it should be lower case. Oncidium maculatum is therefore correct.
If I can be of further help, let me know.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Dec 19, 2017 9:12 PM CST
Thanks so much y'all ... very nice explanation!
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BigBill
Dec 19, 2017 9:15 PM CST
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