Plant ID forum: Tree ID?

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tx_flower_child
Dec 24, 2017 12:41 AM CST
New homeowners do not know what kind of tree this is. I hadn't paid much attention to it until now. This is the only picture I was able to shoot but, weather permitting, I can try for more if need be.
Thanks for your help.




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frostweed
Dec 24, 2017 12:10 PM CST
It is hard to see the shape of the leaves, but if could be an Ash. Smiling
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porkpal
Dec 24, 2017 12:39 PM CST
The growth pattern looks different from ashes that I know - more twisted...
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wildflowers
Dec 24, 2017 12:46 PM CST
It is hard to tell, a closer look at the leaves would help. Could be an elm tree.

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tx_flower_child
Dec 24, 2017 1:31 PM CST
I'll try to find a leaf on the ground because these tree is huge! Hard to get close. But its twists and turns are magnificent.
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Yorkshirelass
Dec 25, 2017 4:54 AM CST
Could it be a Black Poplar (Populus nigra)? A huge, broad tree with heavy outward facing limbs. Bark is greyish-brown, nearly black in old trees with short deep fissures.
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tx_flower_child
Dec 29, 2017 10:43 PM CST
These are the leaves from the tree. Picked them up from where they'd fallen. Hope this helps. Thanks.


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DaisyI
Dec 30, 2017 12:50 AM CST
I believe those are elm leaves.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Dec 30, 2017 7:40 AM CST
Looks like elm to me too.
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Dec 30, 2017 8:53 AM CST
I agree Looks like elm tree leaves. From what I can tell, the base of the leaves are a little lop-sided. American Elm leaves do that. And from the large size of the tree. Most likely an American Elm, Ulmus americana.
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tx_flower_child
Dec 30, 2017 11:20 AM CST
Thank you all. Once I picked up some leaves, elm was my gut reaction. Didn't know what kind of elm, though.

I wish I had a better camera, combined with better vision, so y'all could see how truly magnificent this tree is.

EDIT: Since posting this reply I've been comparing Cedar elms with American elms. Really hard. At least I know for sure that it's an elm. I think.
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Name: josephine
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frostweed
Dec 30, 2017 4:15 PM CST
I think that it is an American Elm too, Cedar Elam leaves are a lot smaller. Smiling
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islander
Dec 30, 2017 8:23 PM CST
I first thought of Celtis.
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tx_flower_child
Dec 30, 2017 8:41 PM CST
@islander — thanks for throwing another possibility into the loop. Not knowing 'Celtis', I looked it up and saw that it's common name is Hackberry. We certainly have a lot of those around here. There's even one nextdoor to me. But I don't think Hackberry trees around here have such tiny leaves. If it's not too cold tomorrow I might try to look at the bark.
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tx_flower_child
Dec 30, 2017 9:13 PM CST
@Yorkshirelass — Just looked up Black Poplar (Populus nigra). There's one picture in our Plants Database that is a close-up of the leaves. They sure look similar to the leaves in my first picture. But the picture I shot was a little too far away to really compare.

I kind of think that the leaves on the Black Poplar are not as (uh oh. here comes my lack of botanical terminology) 'saw toothed'.

I wonder if there's a generic entry in the Plants Database for 'Trees'.
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porkpal
Dec 30, 2017 9:31 PM CST
Another characteristic that makes me think it is and Elm is the rather twisted growth pattern of the branches. Are the leaves stiff or rather soft? Our Hackberry leaves are much less stiff than Elm leaves.
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tx_flower_child
Dec 30, 2017 9:34 PM CST
The leaves are pretty stiff. Can't compare to Hackberry right now.
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tx_flower_child
Dec 31, 2017 3:16 AM CST
I think we agree that it's an elm. I've added it to the generic entry for elm (Ulmus). I've poured over more pictures than I would have thought existed and I don't feel comfortable making a definitive ID as American or Cedar. Thank you all for your help.

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