Native Habitats forum: Nuances separating native habitats and permaculture?

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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jan 20, 2018 9:17 AM CST
What are your thoughts about this? It's all the same thing in my mind, along with "organic gardening." I guess one could practice permaculture with predominantly non-native species, and that would be one separation.
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Bonehead
Jan 21, 2018 9:53 AM CST
I have no idea what permaculture is and have rarely looked at that forum unless something catches my eye on the 'recent' threads. Just read through the intro thread, still confused. Kind of a grow your own/live off the land type idea? Shrug. Native habitats is more intuitive to me, and that's the direction I'm currently heading so I'll stick with that forum. Organic gardening is a whole 'nother beast in my mind, and can apply to natives, cultivars, exotics, veggies, and whatever else one might grow.
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purpleinopp
Jan 23, 2018 7:05 PM CST
Interesting comment, TY.

I think of the most basic version of permaculture as converting the time and energy-wasting elements of ones' property into those that require little to no power equipment to maintain, in combination with a no-packaged-products approach. For a smaller yard, all beds & paths, pool, deck, patio, anything/everything but power-hungry mowed areas. For a bigger property, mostly wooded areas with the smaller elements as desired.

My interest is primarily that I don't want to have to worry about having to pay someone to mow when we are too old to do it, and can't stand to listen to or use the thing now. The expense of maintaining, storing, & operating lawn machinery is objectionable.
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jan 24, 2018 8:39 AM CST
And I wasn't asking in regard to whether or not one forum is better or more popular than other, or where anyone should post something, just intrigued by realizing that various elements that seemed like part of a same thing to me could be interpreted completely differently, and even separately. Native habitats, permaculture, and organic practices have a lot of overlap, but each has singularities. I always appreciate the opportunity to see something from an angle that I had not previously considered. One could have a native habitat where gallons of 'cides are used regularly. If someone feels like drawing a Venn, that would be interesting!
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Jan 28, 2018 6:49 PM CST
I agree that there is a ton of overlap between forums. I've found it more to my liking to place the 'most recent threads' in a more prominent place on my home page rather than 'watching' specific forums as I find things I might otherwise not. Kind of opens up my world a bit.
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RpR
Apr 7, 2018 10:45 AM CST
permaculture which stands for permanent agriculture could be strictly native to the area plant or some thing from a thousand miles away in a area where the climate is similar.
Either could be maintained by standard procedures from the past, or by the so called organic method.

One would be a factual native habitat, or as close to native as reality allows or it could be reproduction of a native habit a thousand miles away.
Either would maintain a native habitat.


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Bonehead
Apr 7, 2018 10:56 AM CST
I still don't quite understand the term permaculture... maybe I'll go poke around in that forum a bit.
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purpleinopp
Apr 7, 2018 11:40 AM CST
2 words are stuck together, permanent and culture, it's creating a permanent culture that's more self-sufficient than dependent on being cultivated. I think if it more in terms of the ideas expressed in this book:
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/boo...

Living in harmony with the conditions, so one isn't constantly trying to water grass in a desert, or dedicating so much area to mowed "lawn" that the pollution of mowing it drastically outweighs the grass' oxygen contribution. Cultivating & maintaining anything that does not disrupt the harmony of the environment in the least pollutive and disruptive possible way, utilizing all available organic matter, not using chemicals. IE making the land better and full, with a healthy population of microorganisms and macroorganisms. Branching into planting trees to shade the house so the A/C can be used less, harvesting rain water, etc...
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Shadegardener
Apr 7, 2018 11:43 AM CST
Permaculture encompasses a more holistic view including house and outbuilding construction, land conservation, erosion control, etc. More about maybe living off the grid or reducing dependence on the grid.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Bonehead
Apr 7, 2018 12:19 PM CST
I think I'll stick with the term native habitat. They seem quite similar to me. I don't have AC, I have plenty of rain water, and I like grassy areas. Permaculture is just an odd term for me, sounds new-agey and would likely need explaining if I ever used it. And there I'd be, at a loss for words. Thanks for your efforts to clarify.
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RpR
Apr 9, 2018 11:55 AM CST
Here ya go Deb, for party talk.

Permaculture (the word, coined by Bill Mollison, is a portmanteau of permanent agriculture and permanent culture) is the conscious design and maintenance of agriculturally productive ecosystems which have the diversity, stability, and resilience of natural ecosystems. It is the harmonious integration of landscape and people — providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material and non-material needs in a sustainable way. Without permanent agriculture there is no possibility of a stable social order.
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Bonehead
Apr 9, 2018 11:57 AM CST
Yikes.
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pod
Apr 9, 2018 3:00 PM CST
RpR said: ... non-material needs in a sustainable way. [/b]


I wonder how one would interpret non-material needs. Whistling
Be content moving inch by inch because, by days end, the inches, will add up to feet and yards.

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