Cactus and Succulents forum: Sans pup is a monster

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Name: Laurie b
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lauriebasler
Jan 22, 2018 1:03 PM CST
This little sans is a very very slow grower for me.
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I was really shocked when a lil pup showed up a while back. I have a fair number of sans, and they are all pupping now. I have not had them long, and have never experienced pups before. I love it. It has made the Sans a complete favorite for me.

The pup on this is so large, compared to it's dwarf mamma, Is it going to be a different variety than the parent. Any tips to help both plants grow faster and healthier would be welcome, as I am a real novice with Snake plants still.

Thanks

Laurie b

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mcvansoest
Jan 22, 2018 3:16 PM CST
I am holding off for now on getting into Sans, but it is hard to resist.

On this link there are a number of good discussions and the website itself also has a gallery with good pictures of a number of Sans and related plants.

http://www.agaveville.org/view...

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Faridat
Jan 22, 2018 3:51 PM CST
That is a super cool pup Laurie! Hurray!
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Name: Laurie b
Western Washington (Zone 7b)
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lauriebasler
Jan 22, 2018 10:30 PM CST
I have read from Sans growers here that pups of hybrids don't come true to their parent, so I am wondering if this is the case, since it's got so tall so fast. I also would love a guess on id of the parent. Thanks all.
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Jan 23, 2018 11:39 AM CST
Laurie, Some basic corrections; Seed plants don't come true to their hybrid parents. Seed from non hybrid plants come true. Root cuttings and stem cuttings stay the same as parent plant. Some times a pup can mutate into some thing different but is extremely rare. Can't tell the ID from your picture but understand that plants common for the juvenile leaves not to resemble the mature leaves in a lot of species. All I can tell you is it's not Sans trifasciata cultivar.
What ever you are doing to grow your sans is working. Nicely done. Just watch the watering during winter time. Cold + damp = death
Name: Laurie b
Western Washington (Zone 7b)
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lauriebasler
Jan 30, 2018 1:18 AM CST
Thanks guys. @Stush, I am glad you straightened me out on pups. I got that totally turned around. I have been doing much better this winter on having the necessary restraint with the watering can, than I did last winter. Not perfect, but definitely improved. I have found that I actually should water the pups a little bit more than I originally did.

They have been such a fun plant for me to learn about and grow. I don't I would have one alive had it not been for all the help here. Thank you !!!

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Faridat
Jan 31, 2018 5:06 PM CST
Laurie, are you going to leave it in this pot or are you thinking of potting it somewhere else? One of my Sans, a bird's nest one has a nice sized pup and I wondered if I should divide it from the mother and give it its own pot.
In some Native languages the term for plants translates to "those who take care of us."
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Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Feb 1, 2018 11:02 AM CST
I should have added, Stem cuttings rooted and then grow new pups don't keep the variegation the original plant had. Example is S. trifasciata `Laurentii' leaves produce S. trifasciata. (with out the yellow edges).
Leaving pups with their mother gives them a head start and they grow larger. The mother plant does better if pups are removed. Once pups start to take over the pot, it's best to re-pot and split up. I had one plant in same pot for over 10 years and they did great and took almost all the space up in the pot. Problem is that once some infection or rot sets in, it could take down the whole pot with it.
Name: Laurie b
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lauriebasler
Feb 8, 2018 8:42 AM CST
@Faridat. I think I am going to leave them as they are for now. The mother plant of this pup has been a very very slow grower, and not at all an enthusiastic plant for me. I am fearful of disturbing anything where this little sans is concerned. So, under such dilemmas, I just ask Stush what to do. nodding and do that, praying I do it right. Crossing Fingers!

HI STUSH!!! Whistling @Stush, the small plant, the mother sans, has been quite lethargic. I was shocked to see a pup as I have seen very little growth, no new leaves, no vim and vigor. Is it your expectation that the mother plant will fare better if her pup is removed. What would you do in this case? I think you already answered this question, I am just so uncertain and insecure with this plant, I can't seem to help but ask again to be certain. Thank you for your patience. I have it in an East facing window, and not under artificial light. I probably err on the side of underwatering. Pot size info would be so nice too, if your recommendation calls for dividing the two. Better yet, perhaps you could be a foster home for them till mamma has a stronger will to live. Sighing!
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Feb 8, 2018 1:20 PM CST
Laurie, you are doing fine. Sans can go a long time in the same pot. It will let you know when to re-pot. I believe you will see a few more pups in the next few months and then when it's warmer out, you can re-pot to the next bigger size. Leaving the pup alone will help it grow to it's full mature size. The mother plant could be reaching it's life expectancy. It could continue staying alive but not really doing any growth. Some non trifasciata varieties don't produce much more that 3 leaves to a stock. Juvenile stage does have many more leaves than standard parent plant.
I have some old S. trifasciat futura types that just keep producing more and more leaves. There are so many it is very hard to count them. It is also one of my favorites.

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Name: Laurie b
Western Washington (Zone 7b)
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lauriebasler
Feb 9, 2018 12:27 PM CST
I am sure it's my laptop, but I am discovering posts I posted were somehow lost. I love love your plant Stush. Thank you for the peace of mind on my little problem Sans. I really was in need of someone making a decision for me. Does your plant pictured get up to a good tall. I somehow felt they were much smaller. I think I love it even more.

Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Feb 9, 2018 4:16 PM CST
My Sans Asahi is typical of futura. Longest leaf is under 15 inches.
Name: Laurie b
Western Washington (Zone 7b)
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lauriebasler
Feb 13, 2018 1:37 PM CST
I have a divider in my home between living room and dining, and I stuff it with plants. That is the best height for me. Thank you Stush.

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