Irises forum: The variability of iris seeds

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Name: Fritz
Germany South (Zone 7b)
Irises Peonies Region: Europe Garden Photography Hybridizer
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IrisP
Feb 10, 2018 1:14 AM CST
I'm not a professional breeder, I let work the Bees Smiling Smiling
In the follow I will show, how variable the seedlings are across from the mother plant.
The mother plant is
Stockholm, SDB, 1972, Bee Warburton
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The following seedlings are from two seed pods:
1 ..|.. 2 ..|.. 3
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4 ..|.. 5 ..|.. 6
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7 ..|.. 8 ..|.. 9
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10 ..|.. 11 ..|.. 12
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13 ..|.. 14 ..|.. 15
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Name: Fritz
Germany South (Zone 7b)
Irises Peonies Region: Europe Garden Photography Hybridizer
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IrisP
Feb 10, 2018 1:20 AM CST
Little Shadow, SDB, 1953, Geddes Douglas
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seedlings:
16 ..|.. 17 ..|.. 18
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19 ..|.. 20 ..|.. 21
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22 ..|.. 23 ..|.. 24
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25
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Name: Fritz
Germany South (Zone 7b)
Irises Peonies Region: Europe Garden Photography Hybridizer
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IrisP
Feb 10, 2018 1:27 AM CST
Red Heart, SDB, 1967, Alta Brown
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seedlings: (3 seed pots)
26 ..|.. 27 ..|.. 28
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29 ..|.. 30 ..|.. 31
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32 ..|.. 33 ..|.. 34
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35 ..|.. 36 ..|.. 37
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38 ..|.. 39 ..|.. 40
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41 ..|.. 42 ..|.. 43
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44 ..|.. 45 ..|.. 46
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47 ..|.. 48 ..|.. 49
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50 ..|.. 51
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Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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lovemyhouse
Feb 10, 2018 1:56 AM CST
Those are some gorgeous seedlings. Fun to see the differences even coming from the same parents. Smiling
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Name: Lilli
Copenhagen, Denmark, EU
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IrisLilli
Feb 10, 2018 2:36 AM CST
I agree they are gorgeous and interesting. Thank you for sharing! I tip my hat to you.

I especially like seedling number 5 and 10 from the Little Shadow cross and number 8 and 9 from the Red Heart cross! Hurray!

You don't know if it will grow until you try!
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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tveguy3
Feb 10, 2018 4:58 AM CST
Welcome! to the iris forum, nice to see your seedlings, they sure are variable aren't they.
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Name: Jerry
New Jersey (Zone 6a)
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Jpari
Feb 10, 2018 8:23 AM CST
Thank you very much for posting your seedlings. I am always interested in seeing the variation in seed pods. I am amazed at how greatly the resulting seedlings in a single pod can vary. They are proof of how powerfully the inherited genes of even distant parents can be.
Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
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dirtdorphins
Feb 10, 2018 9:18 AM CST
Hurray!
That is so cool! Amazing and nice to see what your bees can bring out Smiling
gives me hope for some of my bee pods!
Name: Barbara
Northern CA (Zone 9a)
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iciris
Feb 10, 2018 9:25 AM CST
Edit to fix spelling.
Amazing! I never knew they would vary that much. I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Fritz
Germany South (Zone 7b)
Irises Peonies Region: Europe Garden Photography Hybridizer
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IrisP
Feb 10, 2018 12:35 PM CST
One or other iris is better as the parents plant. But unfortunately most are for the compost. sadly Crying
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
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lovemyhouse
Feb 10, 2018 2:39 PM CST
Hybridizing requires an element of ruthlessness in choosing what to keep. Smiling
Moderation in all things…except chocolate, coffee...and potato chips.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Feb 10, 2018 2:53 PM CST
IrisP, thank you for sharing those wonderful pictures! I absolutely love seeing how the genetics play out, especially when there are a bunch of surprises. Those pictures demonstrate that irises have more than a single set of alleles responsible for color, and they don't always play predictably!
Name: Robin
Melbourne, Australia (Zone 10b)
Region: Australia Irises Garden Photography
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Totally_Amazing
Feb 10, 2018 2:59 PM CST
IrisP said:
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Thank You! I found that interesting as I haven't had enough of my seedlings bloom to see how much they vary. These 2 are my favourites.
Name: Fritz
Germany South (Zone 7b)
Irises Peonies Region: Europe Garden Photography Hybridizer
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IrisP
Feb 10, 2018 11:13 PM CST
lovemyhouse said:Hybridizing requires an element of ruthlessness in choosing what to keep. Smiling


tell this to my wife Rolling my eyes. Rolling my eyes. Rolling my eyes.
Name: Lilli
Copenhagen, Denmark, EU
Irises Roses Bulbs Hellebores Foliage Fan Cottage Gardener
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IrisLilli
Feb 11, 2018 2:00 AM CST
Hilarious!

I understand her completely! Big Grin
You don't know if it will grow until you try!
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Dog Lover Daylilies Organic Gardener Houseplants Celebrating Gardening: 2015 I helped beta test the first seed swap
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DogsNDaylilies
Feb 11, 2018 9:05 AM CST
I know you said that you were planning to compost all of the above flowers, but I just wanted to let you know that #3, 6, 25, 44, and 45 all looked like winners to me! Nearly all of the pictures were pretty, but the pictures for those particular irises made them look like keepers. Pictures can deceive though, I suppose. Smiling
Name: Susan
Keenesburg, Colorado (Zone 5a)
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MileHighGardner
Feb 11, 2018 10:26 AM CST
Isn't it amazing work that bees do for nature? This represents a lot of time and effort on your part as well. I find these seedlings fascinating!

I especially like #'s 47, 35, 27(yellow with purple /red blush), 11 or 13 ( dark purple with the blue blaze/orange hafts) . I'd be happy to pay you for shipment or what would you like? if you plan to toss them.

Here's some of my first attempt to grow out bee pods. They took 2 years to flower. They are an unknown cross with I Pallida. I just don't have the heart to toss them.

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Name: Fritz
Germany South (Zone 7b)
Irises Peonies Region: Europe Garden Photography Hybridizer
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IrisP
Feb 11, 2018 11:45 AM CST
Many thanks for your feedbacks.

It's realy so that I plan to keep for registration only 5 or 6 of the showed iris.

#4 - the best form
#18 - an unusually color combination
#25 - a radiant appearance
#32 - an unusually color combination
#36 - one of the best grower I have in the Brennet Iris Garden

It is one side, to look good on a photo, but to registrate an iris and bring it into the commerce, it must have more qualities:
- a good branching
- a good growing
- a balanced proportion of the flower to the height of the plant
- modern SDB's are have very flat petals
- I think it does not make sense to registrate an iris, when you can find in commerce 350 'yellow self' or 240 'white self' - and so on

One of my favorite SDB seedlings I have, got only one flower per stalk 'cry
Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Garden Photography Bee Lover Region: Utah Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2016 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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dirtdorphins
Feb 11, 2018 12:31 PM CST
Thanks for numbering them Thumbs up

#45 is my favorite

lovemyhouse said:Hybridizing requires an element of ruthlessness in choosing what to keep. Smiling


not just hybridizing Hilarious! excessive ordering to try out new-to-me ones requires an element of ruthlessness to make room too--
if I had unlimited space...and a garden crew...
but, if my bees create some real cuties, I'll keep 'em... somewhere Rolling my eyes.
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
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lovemyhouse
Feb 11, 2018 12:39 PM CST
Hilarious! Dirt. Yeah, and that element is more difficult to maintain when the Iris Forum has so many ruthless enablers. Big Grin
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