Plant ID forum: Bush ID- Boxwood?

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Hamwild
Feb 15, 2018 1:05 PM CST
Hi folks, I tip my hat to you.

We have a few bushes right outside our house that I suspect have been there for quite some time considering their sizes. I'd like to know what they are. I was thinking Boxwood, but I'll leave that to the experts! Whistling

Don't worry about the moss growing at the base or the.... "thin-ness" of the bush, I'm actually going to yank them out this year (I don't know a lot about pruning, but I know not to prune them so they're so wide on the top like this). I don't think they took well to me mulching around them and they've slowly started falling apart (the clay went from being dry and rock hard to being super moist year-round). I know I'm yanking them out, but I'd like to know for future reference.
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Closeup. The leaves are not hard per say like a holly, but a little flexible. They will break in half if you bend too hard, but I suspect any leaf would really.
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islander
Feb 15, 2018 1:18 PM CST
Reminds me of Ilex crenata
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DaisyI
Feb 15, 2018 1:31 PM CST
Its not a boxwood. How big are the leaves?
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Hamwild
Feb 15, 2018 1:37 PM CST
Good thing I leave it to the experts! Pretty tiny, about the length of a thumb nail (or at least my thumb's nails, Hilarious! ). I want to say less than an inch.
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Hamwild
Feb 15, 2018 1:40 PM CST
Better scale I hope. Quarter:
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Hamwild
Feb 15, 2018 1:43 PM CST
islander said:Reminds me of Ilex crenata


I think we have some of those in another section of the yard, planted less than six years ago. Dying at a much faster pace I might add! They're about half naked now. I'm definitely digging those up too, they seem to have declined after I mulched in that area too. Sighing!
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porkpal
Feb 15, 2018 2:34 PM CST
Whatever they are, they do not look unhealthy to me. What is this apparently "toxic" mulch you've been using?
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Hamwild
Feb 15, 2018 3:04 PM CST
Thank You!

This set of bushes (one of the ones pictured) don't look as bad as the others I mentioned, which are in a different area of the yard. I've had random large branches die off of these though (the one pictured has not, but others in the row have; there's five total), one was thicker than my thumb! They seem less "full" than they were in March of last year. :sad:

It's just red mulch from Lowes, I'm not sure if it was conincidental or what, but I didn't start having issues until after I mulched. I'm wondering if because the house was never really occupied for longer than 5-10 years at a time, the previous owners didn't mulch this area and it went from bone dry to quite moist/soggy and the bushes just didn't take well to the sudden change. Or, they don't like being that moist, I'm not sure (part of the reason I'd like to see what they are).

I noticed with the one next to the one pictured, there were quite a bit of surface roots on the top of the clay and when I tried digging up what looked like a black trash bag (it was shiny black plastic film), I ended up pulling up some roots from another bush that must have been right under the ground. I'm sure whatever that crap is hasn't helped them long-term, it seems like the roots were growing on top of it. Confused
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Feb 15, 2018 3:37 PM CST
Weed block, perhaps?
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Hamwild
Feb 15, 2018 3:44 PM CST
Hmm. I considered that, but I thought it was more of a fabric. Do they make one that's more like a trash bag texture... plasticky?
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Hamwild
Feb 16, 2018 11:34 AM CST
I Googled ilex crenata and it looks just like mine. I don't know if the larger ones are 'Soft Touch,' but I saw some small ones at Lowes today and thry look jyst like the ones in my other location. Reading, they sound kinda finicky to me. Not too dry, not too wet. We can get both extremes and being in clay and mulched, probably not the best place for the big ones considering they get less sun. I'm going to replace them with dwarf wax myrtles, as they sound to be a better choice.

We have some golden Euonymus in the other location and while they seem super slow growing (I probanly could water them during our hot dry summers), they bloomed ladt year and are already putting out new growth buds this year. So, I think we'll end up replacing the 'soft touch' Ilex with more Euonymus. I know, I have to watch out for scale, but that area seems almost opposite of the one the larger Ilex are in and almost as much of a PITA to get something growing there well.

Thank You! for the help everyone.
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plantladylin
Feb 16, 2018 1:54 PM CST
Reminds me of Littleleaf Boxwood (Buxus microphylla) that we had growing at our old house.
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Name: Lin
Florida Zone 9b, 10a

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plantladylin
Feb 16, 2018 1:58 PM CST
LOL, I should have read through every post; here's the database entry for Japanese Holly (Ilex crenata)
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Georgia (Zone 8a)
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Hamwild
Feb 16, 2018 2:01 PM CST
Wow, they sure look similiar!
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Hamwild
May 30, 2018 8:28 AM CST
porkpal said:Whatever they are, they do not look unhealthy to me. What is this apparently "toxic" mulch you've been using?


I am sorry for the extreme delay. I discovered the main issue with these bushes when I yanked them out near the end of March. Whoever initially planted them years ago, planted them on top of the black plastic I mentioned later in this thread. It's no wonder they survived at all.

Thank You! for the input.

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