Vegetables and Fruit forum: Going to grow Flat white borer pumpkins, sunflowers and nasturisiums.

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Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 22, 2018 10:42 AM CST
I have a community garden plot of 15 by 20 feet. is this going to be enough room for flat white borer pumpkins, sunflowers and nasturisiums. Should I try growing them up large trellises? I could try getting muilitple plots all together but i dubt they will issue more than one plot per person.

I cannot garden with these vegatables at my house as its a group home run by the state already filled up with things and they use pesticides/not organic bee friendly..
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Name: Dillard Haley
Augusta Georgia (Zone 8a)
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farmerdill
Feb 22, 2018 10:57 AM CST
Yes if you limit the number of plants. The squash and the sunflowers are spacehogs, but nasturtiums take very little room. Need to place so that the Sunflowers and Flat White Boer do not shade them out
Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 22, 2018 11:40 AM CST
Okay, could I try growing the squash up, Flat white borer gets 30 pounds. how many squash/sunflower plants can i grow? I was thinking a few rows of sunflowers in the back with the squash either on the ground or on a trillius.


I wanted the nasteriums to help repell squash bugs. I got a vining type to mingle with the squash . I also have yellow bowls to trap squash vine borer moths.

Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Feb 22, 2018 12:12 PM CST
Good for you Alex. 2 ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘'s to ya . Hurray!
Are you first timer ? I started gardening as a teen, around 12, or so Shrug! I'm still at it, 45+years latter. Love it. Are you a teen ? That's GREAT, if you are ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜€. Well ?๐Ÿค”??? Really ! It's great, at any age.
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
Plus, I like to fish to ๐Ÿ‘.

Opps ! ๐Ÿ˜€ I got carried away ๐Ÿ™Š, from your question.
YES ! Go vertical, dude ๐Ÿ‘
I'm really into it. Saves, lots of space.
Get some pumpkins that mature quick, since I belive you have a short growing season.
A few sturdy stakes, some sturdy garden twine or sturdy wire, and your set to go vertical. Use your imagination.
If your pumpkins get large, you will need to make a sling to support them from breaking off vine.
Going vertical, you'll have room to maybe try a few other kinds of veges. Say, peppers, pole green beans, tomatoes, or squash.
Oh Boy ๐Ÿ˜€. Have you ever ate Okra ?
Alot of people, have never heard, or don't even know what Okra are.
There's some quick, days to maturity, Okra. Order you a few seed catalog. There free. Google seed catologs.

Good talking to you ๐Ÿ‘
Anything, you may have any further questions about, I'm, hear ! I mean were ALL HEAR, to help ya out, Buddy.
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Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 22, 2018 12:20 PM CST
I'm 31 years old so not a teen, lol.
I hacve garened many times in the past too but this is my first time with pumpkins, have tried yokohama and Amabar squashes. Might have to try sea pumpkins next year though.

Thanks for being so nice though.

I''m looking forward to making a stake/trellius for the flat white borer pumpkins it may be kinda large though, they get 30 pounds. i'll ask baker creek what they think, as they have supplied me with the seed.

this will be fun to try and do.
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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Feb 22, 2018 1:12 PM CST
Alex : Howdy again I tip my hat to you.
You ! You ! Silly Boy ! ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ‘
I just, kind of had a feeling ! That you wanted to grow a huge pumkin.
Especially ! When, you mentioned, group home.๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€

I have another idea, for your pumpkins. Kind of fun idea. nodding
Build you some Tee-pee's. Take three, 8 foot stakes, or three fairly straight tree branches, around two inch diameter.
Loosely tie them around two, to four feet from top. Set them upright, to form a Tee-pee.
If you get high, strong winds, you should anchor them down, with some kind of stakes, at each pole.

Then, your pumkin sling, can be tied to your Tee-pee, for enough support of a 30 pound pumkin. ๐Ÿ‘

If you haven't researched, growing a giant pumpkin, I suggest you do. There's lots of things, you need to do.

Good Luck to you ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜€
Hope, you stay in touch, and keep us updated on your whole garden success', my friend.
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Name: Dillard Haley
Augusta Georgia (Zone 8a)
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farmerdill
Feb 22, 2018 2:02 PM CST
You would a very substantial trellis for Flat White Boer ( It is a South African squash named for Boers, the original colonists) With dimensions of your plot, I would plant the sunflowers along the north border. Along the center line I would plant two hills of squash 6 feet in from each sideline ( 4 plants) and use the nasturtiums along the three borders. The squash will take all summer and can expand into the flowers as they finish.
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Feb 22, 2018 2:45 PM CST
I'm so slow at texting. That I cross texted over you, my friend ! ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜€

Gee ! I'm kind of ๐Ÿ˜ž you weren't a teenager.
I'm a retired school bus driver.
I really enjoined giving them encouragement, and inspiration.๐Ÿ‘

But, even though I'm old enough to be your father !... Humm ?๐Ÿค”???.......
WHAT ! HAY, WOW Hurray! ??? You could of been, one of my kids on my school bus. Hurray! ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€

How about If I call you, Son ! Son ?
Or, better ? Boy !
My dad, and uncle, allways use to called me " boy ".
You can call me. " Old Man " lol.

Ok now, enough, FUNNING AROUND.

I'll have to try those varities of squash, you mentioned.

You'll have to send pictures of GIANT PUMKIN contraption thing your going to build.

I'm always interested in new ideals.

Hears a couple pics for you.
A picture of my garden, from two weeks ago. Snow peas, I planted in November, two months late, but that's another story. There twice as tall know. In background, are Collard Green's, there, 4 years old, and over 3 feet tall.
Second picture, is my harvest, of my one Sweet potato plant. The, big tater next to 12 inch ruler, weighed in at three pounds. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

Ttfn ! My Friend !
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Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 22, 2018 7:10 PM CST
Thanks for all the suggestions I think I'm going to do farmerdills suggestions yes it will mean a cramped space but I don't want to loose the crop to winds or heavy fruits.



I'm using yellow bowls for squash vine borders and getting lots of compost and manure to feed them too
Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 23, 2018 5:26 PM CST
I hear the weather is supposed to be below average this may in mn so do I start the pumpkins inside first? if so do I do it the first of May or a little later in the month
Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 23, 2018 7:14 PM CST

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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Feb 24, 2018 8:02 AM CST
DO NOT GO BY WHAT THE USDA SAYS ! ITS WRONG ! Also, WRONG, are the NGA planting guides.

I would start some seedlings, inside, around 4 to 6 weeks, before your last frost date. Good ideal ! Especially with short season that you have.

Do you know your safe/last frost date ?

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Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 24, 2018 8:24 AM CST
I think it's around mammoral day
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
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Weedwhacker
Feb 24, 2018 7:38 PM CST
Alex, I live in a similar zone to yours - I always start my pumpkins, squash and cukes in pots and then transplant them out around the 1st of June; they grow pretty fast from seed, so don't start too early -- 4 weeks is about right in my opinion.

Good luck with your garden!
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Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 24, 2018 8:56 PM CST
Thanks I'll do it may 1st then I'm excited to get started


I just hope my community garden will let me use bt so I can stop those dreaded squash borers
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Feb 25, 2018 8:35 AM CST
Alex ๐Ÿ˜€ :
๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘'s, and a big :hurray ! To Sandy, for letting you know when to plant. Me being zone 8/9. I had no ideal for you.

Your fingers itching to get into the dirt ??? Think fast cool weather crops. If or when you can ???
Plant radishes today, in 30 days, they would be ready. Turnips, about 60 days. Then there's greens, like Swiss chard, Collards, etc. You could harvest, until ! Say, mid-summer, before the pumpkins swallow them up.
Them cool crop veges, don't mind frosts. nodding

Best to ya pal ๐Ÿ‘
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Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Feb 26, 2018 7:50 PM CST
Okay thanks for the tip


Thank You!
Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Mar 1, 2018 12:20 PM CST
I was wondering if I can grow honeydew melons up trelliuses too. That would be cool.
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Mar 1, 2018 3:38 PM CST
Sure ! honeydew's would work, butt I'd give them a sling ! For Shure, For Sure ! Good Buddy !!!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘.๐Ÿ˜€.
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Anything i say, could be misrepresented, or wrong.
Name: Alex Junge
MN st paul, (Zone 4a)
Plantsmylove
Mar 1, 2018 7:55 PM CST
Good idea on Saturday I'm going to my local Gertans to look at trelliuses for training the melon vines

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