Peonies forum: G.H. Wils oldies but goodies

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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Feb 26, 2018 12:53 PM CST
Wild has some interesting "older" peonies for sale.

Of course, more is better. If you order order over $100, you get a 10% discount.

and, orders over $75 get free shipping.

I could not resist:)

no code necessary for the shipping, Use code 18C for 10% off $100

http://www.gilberthwild.com/pr...

Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
Peonies Enjoys or suffers cold winters Winter Sowing Region: Colorado Plant and/or Seed Trader Irises
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LizinElizabeth
Feb 26, 2018 2:36 PM CST
So what did you get, Frank? I put in an order for spring, a few peonies, day lilies and a couple of irises to get the discount. I'll post my order tonight after work...
LizB
Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Feb 26, 2018 5:00 PM CST
They only ship to the lower 48 - Sighing!
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
Peonies Enjoys or suffers cold winters Winter Sowing Region: Colorado Plant and/or Seed Trader Irises
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LizinElizabeth
Feb 26, 2018 9:10 PM CST
Why is that? I've never understood.....

I ordered
Peony Charle's White
Peony Jessie Gist
Peony Barbara
Peony BOGO Free Kansas 2/3 Eye
Lily Soft Music - Oriental (3 bulbs)
Perennial Pink Cascade Butterfly Bush
Perennial Playful Meadow Mama Coneflower
Lily Turkish Cap Collection (5 packages)
Lily Black Beauty - Turkish Cap (2 bulbs)
Lily Lady Alice - Turkish Cap (2 bulbs)
Lily Miss Feya - Turkish Cap (2 bulbs)
Lily Scheherazade - Turkish Cap (2 bulbs)
Lily White Cap - Turkish Cap (2 bulbs)
Lily Distant Drum - Oriental (3 bulbs)
Lily Polar Star - Oriental (3 bulbs)

All for $116.

LizB
Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Feb 26, 2018 9:18 PM CST
I don't understand either. We get USPS just like everyone else and a flat rate box is a flat rate box even to us. I think some vendors have agreements with certain shippers like UPS that is more economical for them, though I doubt it gets passed on to the customer.

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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Feb 26, 2018 9:57 PM CST
here's what I ordered

Paeonia 'Best Man', Paeonia 'Inspector Lavergne', Paeonia 'Jan van Leeuwen', Paeonia 'Jessie Gist', Paeonia 'Luella Shaylor', Paeonia 'Marietta Sisson', Paeonia 'Mrs. Fern Lough', Paeonia 'Pecher Rose', Paeonia 'Prairie Star', Paeonia 'President Roosevelt', Paeonia 'Viking Chief'

Most of these are old and I have never heard of:)

price was right:)

Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Feb 27, 2018 6:50 PM CST
Paeonia 'Prairie Star' looks interesting. It's a 2002 Hollingsworth Japanese type white.

It is not listed in the NGA database.

Does not seem to be readily available.

It's a collectors item at $14 Smiling
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
Peonies Enjoys or suffers cold winters Winter Sowing Region: Colorado Plant and/or Seed Trader Irises
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LizinElizabeth
Feb 27, 2018 8:48 PM CST
Gilbert Wilde was supposed to have had a great Saunders collection decades ago. You just never know with their roots, only thing I know for sure is they've all grown well here! It'll be interesting to see what we get!
LizB
Name: Tracey
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magnolialover
Mar 7, 2018 6:53 AM CST

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I agree with Liz, you never know with their roots, but sometimes in a wrong root you could accidentally get a real gem. At that price and their guarantee, it's worth a try.
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Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Mar 7, 2018 8:47 AM CST
magnolialover said:I agree with Liz, you never know with their roots, but sometimes in a wrong root you could accidentally get a real gem. At that price and their guarantee, it's worth a try.


I agree They offer some rare Saunders peonies at a great price that you may not find elsewhere.
Athens, Ohio (Zone 6a)
mantisOH
Mar 25, 2018 5:01 PM CST
The last peonies I ordered from Wild's were all not true to name. And none of them were gems. Real junk!

Customer service is incredibly rude and will give you nothing except a credit on a future order--which means you have to reach into the grab bag again and pay additional shipping.

Buyer beware! Not everyone is satisfied with a grab bag result.
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
Peonies Enjoys or suffers cold winters Winter Sowing Region: Colorado Plant and/or Seed Trader Irises
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LizinElizabeth
Mar 25, 2018 6:01 PM CST
I've received mis-id's from every U.S. grower out there other than Solaris, Fina and Hollingsworths. I've heard from others that Gilbert Wild's customer service is rude, I've not experienced it myself, they've always been okay with me. You're right about only receiving a credit. Karen's right about the rare Saunders, too, though. I think GW is best for 2 types--those just starting peonies who need to find out what grows for them and to experiment on healthy, decent sized roots without a huge investment and those people who have an extensive collection, looking for those hard to find varieties that aren't in rotation anywhere else like some of the Saunders.
While at the 2016 APS convention I talked to Henry Chotkowski about Gilbert Wild. He drove out from OK and planned to stop at Gilbert Wild on his way home to walk the fields to see what was in bloom to decide what he was going to order that year. Wonder what kind of forgotten gems one could find if they lived close enough to visit a few times during the blooming season?
Oh, to be fair and honest, the mis-id that I received from Adelman's was renamed here as Adelman's Orphan; several of us purchased it because it was supposed to be a species pink fernleaf, ended up being a very attractive fernleaf hybrid. The Adelman's discovered the issue before it bloomed for most of us and contacted everyone who purchased it and sent a refund so AMAZING customer service.
LizB
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Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Mar 25, 2018 7:56 PM CST
I got some nice Saunders peonies from Gilbert Wild. If they offer any Saunders hybrids that I am interested in, I will have not problem placing an order with them. Though having said that, I would not buy any double peony from them. I think that the probability of getting mis ids increases significantly with double cultivars.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Mar 25, 2018 8:16 PM CST
I like Wilds. I buy from them all the time... Daylilies, hostas, mums and peonies

I have never had a problem with customer service.

I have had a couple of items that were not true to name, all problems were resolved easily.

And of course, they sometimes offer up some unusual peonies:)

Athens, Ohio (Zone 6a)
mantisOH
Mar 27, 2018 10:25 PM CST
Adelman's readily gave a replacement on one item that was not true to name. Moreover, their roots are consistently of better quality than those of Wild's. Customer service was courteous and apologetic.

At Wild's the customer representative accusingly asked why I had waited over a year to make a claim on a peony that was not true to name. I noted that the peony root to begin with was small and that peonies often do not bloom the first year after planting. She argued further, saying that my situation was very unusual. A bit later, the representative reluctantly said that a store credit could be issued. I said that I didn't want a store credit because I didn't want to reach into the grab bag again. (Both peonies on the order were not true to name, and those sent were weak-stemmed ugly whites, the likes of which I have never seen.) Finally, the representative said she would send a check for one of the peonies on the condition that I never order from Wild's again. I noted that I would happily comply with that condition.

Note that after 45 days, Wild's will issue a store credit worth 50% of the value of the purchase (not including shipping costs).
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Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Mar 28, 2018 10:26 AM CST
I got 2 wrong roots from Wild. One they refused to refund and one they issued credit which caused me to spend more money to buy more plants from them. But 2 wrong out of 12 peonies is not too bad. I am happy that I got some nice Saunders peonies in the process. I got more mis ids from Bannister Gardens than any other vendors.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Mar 28, 2018 11:11 AM CST
Being true to name is complicated because of the time involved.

A few year back, I ordered 'First Arrival' from Park Seeds. It was a tissue culture plant that did not bloom for 3 or 4 years. When it finally bloomed, it was clearly not true to name.

I called Parks customer service and of course they said there was only a one year guarantee and I had ordered the plant 4 years ago:) I had to explain the true to name guarantee to this customer service rep and she had to consult with her supervisor... resulting in a replacement, which by the way was less expensive than the original plant I ordered. Probably should have asked for a refund:) Oh yes, the replacement was not true to name!

I ordered a peony 'Diana' from Wild a couple of years ago. I think it bloomed the year after I planted and it was not true to name. In addition to calling, I sent a photo. They did not have a replacement so they refunded (not a credit). And, they (one of the owners) were able to ID the plant in question.

The original G.H. Wild farm had some great peonies, and why not, Wild bred peonies. That was a long time ago. The new owners of the farm probably have sketchy documentation on some of the peonies that have endured. So sometimes you can end up with a real gem.

Athens, Ohio (Zone 6a)
mantisOH
Mar 28, 2018 6:41 PM CST
The two wrongly labeled peonies were a second order. The first order also had two peonies, both of which were not true to name. So that's four out of four! But even 2 out of 12 is bad. Sorry, but I beg to differ, Karen. If your fields and workers are so disorganized that you have over 10% wrongly labeled, you obviously are catering to an unsophisticated customer that generally doesn't care what (s)he receives. From Adelman's, I had one plant out of around 24 that was not true to name. From A&D, I may have had a couple, but they go out of their way to rectify the situation. People who specialize in peonies should realize that it can take a few years to determine whether a cultivar is true to name.

Customer representatives certainly do differ. At Wild's I have had a few that are really combative. Granted, I'm sure there are customers who make unjustified claims or who take no care in growing their plants.

If you have the space, I can understand that getting some mislabeled cultivars can be tolerated. But consider all the time one spends growing those not-true-to-name plants. I ordered some tree peonies from Van Bourgondien several years ago, and over half were not true to name. Now, six years later, I am finally getting (what I hope is) the true Shimadaijin. Granted, though, Van Bourgondien refunded me for all the peonies. Moreover, two of the wrongly labeled peonies sent turned out to be beautiful cultivars, which since I believe have been identified (with the help of this forum).
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
Mar 28, 2018 7:04 PM CST
I totally understand your frustration, MantisOH. At this point in my peony growing, I would rather spend more money to get a good root that is correct cultivar that I order than to find out a few years later a mislabel. In the beginning when I started growing peonies when space and time was not a problem, NOIDs did not bother me as much as they are now. Also after my order with Bannister Garden, I guess I was quickly put into perspective with my frustration about Wild's rate of mislabels. I bought 12 peonies from Bannister and 7 were wrong!
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
Peonies Enjoys or suffers cold winters Winter Sowing Region: Colorado Plant and/or Seed Trader Irises
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LizinElizabeth
Mar 28, 2018 9:10 PM CST
Yep, they've sent mis-id'ed peonies, not a single person here would disagree with you, mantisOH. I still order from them every year, their peonies grow well for me here and I have enough room to allow for mis-ids. Guess I've been lucky in the varieties I've ordered because I've never gotten an ugly, common looking NOID from them, yet. Actually, my avatar is a mis-id from GW and it's one of my favorite peonies out of the multitude of those I grow. Wouldn't consider myself an "unsophisticated customer" but we're all entitled to our opinions....
As for Bannister's, their retirement sale turned into a fiasco, didn't it? At least half of mine were not correct and a couple haven't bloomed yet--how long ago was that? At least 2-3 years ago.
LizB

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