Cactus and Tender Succulents forum: Manfreda or Mangave 'Pineapple Express'?

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 4, 2018 12:25 AM CST
Planning to purchase what is being sold as xMangave 'Pineapple Express' from UCD Arboretum and that name is all I can find reference for out on the web. The database here has it as Manfreda 'Pineapple Express' and I'm guessing these are one and the same. Searching this site for Mangave and Manfreda also brings confusing results at least to me? Perhaps because of the common names? I see confusion has come up before but Zuzu's thread from last year is gone. Can of worms I'm sure but any help on this particular plant would great. I tip my hat to you.
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Baja_Costero
Mar 4, 2018 11:47 AM CST

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Manfreda = genus of North American plants related to agaves, often with purplish spots (this genus has been absorbed into Agave in the current Catalogue of Life)

Note our database is a bit mixed up since some Manfredas have been renamed Agave but others have not... I will try to get this sorted out on the Plant Database forum.

xMangave = hybrid between Manfreda and Agave (an outdated name, at least for now, but much more informative than what would otherwise be Agave x)

"Pineapple Express" = hybrid between two named xMangaves (Bloodspot and Jaguar)
which probably contains DNA from two different agaves and two different Manfredas.
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Baja_Costero
Mar 4, 2018 2:07 PM CST

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Here is the entry to use....

Mangave (Agave 'Pineapple Express')
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mcvansoest
Mar 4, 2018 3:26 PM CST
Would it not have to be Agave sp. or Agave hybrid 'Pineapple Express'?
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 4, 2018 3:52 PM CST
Yes. Thanks. I was up till the wee hours trying to sort it out. Not. UCD Arboretum usually has some interesting plant for sale. I wish they would lead the way with the latest info and names no matter how difficult. In the mean time ill try and keep up.... I tip my hat to you.
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Baja_Costero
Mar 4, 2018 4:40 PM CST

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Thank you for the question. It led to a bit of housecleaning in the database, which hopefully will be more up to date and correct, thanks to some work behind the scenes by Zuzu. The former xMangaves will retain Mangave as a common name, but be categorized under the scientific name Agave "Hybrid".

I tip my hat to you.

More info about the consequences of the genus merger here (some non-obvious changes)

https://garden.org/thread/view...

and I even wrote a little comment about Agave asperrima to keep it separate from Agave scabra, another potential point of confusion after the merger.

Rough Agave (Agave asperrima)
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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 4, 2018 6:24 PM CST
Wow! Now it all makes sense. Mad about MangaveĀ® had a whole new meaning for me last night! Lol Thank you both. @Zuzu I tip my hat to you.
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