Roses forum: Queen Elizabeth Rose Bush variety Help required

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carattano1976
Mar 9, 2018 12:58 AM CST
Good morning Forum I'm in need of 10 or so rose shrubs. I would like the queen Elizabeth type as these were my late fathers favourite plant.
can anyone advise where i could purchase some around the surrey area at all please local garden centres are not very helpful in woking.

any info would be great.
Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Mar 9, 2018 7:41 AM CST
When I did a google search, Jackson and Perkins and David Austin Roses showed offerings.

https://www.jacksonandperkins....

https://www.davidaustinroses.c...
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Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Mar 10, 2018 3:58 PM CST
The tips offered by gemini_sage are great. Just one thought. From my experience in growing "Queen Elizabeth" I find it difficult to classify it as a shrub rose, as it easily grows to 5'! Beautiful rose, no question!
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Mar 10, 2018 5:23 PM CST

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Carattano referred to "rose shrubs," not "shrub roses." All roses are shrubs, but not all of them fall into the "shrub" class. Queen Elizabeth is a rose of the grandiflora class. They usually grow taller than hybrid teas. Queen Elizabeth is also one of the few roses that's grafted to hold down its size, in contrast to the majority of roses that are grafted to help them grow larger. I have a couple of own-root Queen Elizabeths that quickly grow to more than 10 feet a few months after pruning. One is almost as tall as my magnolia tree, and these aren't the climbing variety of Queen Elizabeth.

Growmore
Mar 10, 2018 6:02 PM CST
carattano. I take it you live in Surrey, England. Hi, I live close to you in Eltham, on the borders of North Kent.
Sorry but I can only help with rose growers that I know. David Austin. Peter Beales. Cockers. Rumwood Nurseries. Cants. Harkness roses.

The internet gives lots of suppliers such as Parkers and Thompson & Morgan. I'd advise you to Stick with the well known growers. Rosa Queen Elizabeth comes in shrub and climber forms. Various garden centers provide outlets for the main growers.

Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Mar 10, 2018 8:05 PM CST
Zuzu, that is very interesting about grafted verses own root Queen Elizabeth. It's one I wouldn't have considered growing as own root till reading that.
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Name: Frank Mosher
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fwmosher
Mar 11, 2018 2:00 PM CST
Zuzu: The new member is from Surrey, England. They (the English) invented the language. When they say rose shrubs, or if they say, shrub roses, it doesn't necessarily equivalate to "our nomenclature. unless they specifically are referring to a "Shrub Rose. All I did was make a comment about how tall "Queen Elizabeth" grows, and that in my experience, it will grow much differently than a "Shrub Rose"! If I offended the new member in any manner, I apologize.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Mar 11, 2018 2:27 PM CST

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I'm fully aware that the new member is from Surrey. That was stated in the new member's first post. I'm also fully aware that the new member used the term "rose shrubs" correctly. You're the one that seemed to equate that to a "shrub rose," which would not necessarily be correct because that particular rose is not classified as a shrub rose.
Name: Tamara
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Monetwwqi
Mar 11, 2018 2:46 PM CST
I also have an own root Queen Elizabeth. I had taken a cutting from my grandmother's plant 30+ years ago. The only time it gets pruned is when I cut the very long stemmed flowers to bring into the house. When I am able to, I cut out the dead wood. Otherwise, my plan is huge. It's taller than my house.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Mar 11, 2018 3:19 PM CST

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The size is amazing, isn't it? And it roots so easily. One of mine was the result of pruning debris that wasn't picked up quickly enough.

Growmore
Mar 11, 2018 4:14 PM CST
zuzu said:I'm fully aware that the new member is from Surrey. That was stated in the new member's first post. I'm also fully aware that the new member used the term "rose shrubs" correctly. You're the one that seemed to equate that to a "shrub rose," which would not necessarily be correct because that particular rose is not classified as a shrub rose.


If I may as a New Member.
I have learned during my years, I am 78 and first took an interest in gardening aged five. During that time I have not only learned so much about plants but also lots about people, the gardeners themselves. Similar to dog lovers. Lets talk gardening or dogs etc.

I don't think that Frank meant anything untoward. likewise zuzu offered the correct reply. Here in the UK, many folk use the term shrub rose or rose shrub simply due the way the rose grows. I often find it hard to accept sayings such as. How deep should I dig the dirt. Also. When do I plant my seeds, instead of when do I sow my seeds. This can raise an eyebrow, due to planting and sowing. So lets continue to talk gardening and keep smiling.


Growmore
Mar 11, 2018 7:05 PM CST
Ooops! Forgive me but another hic-cup between us across the pond. The term grafted. Here in the UK, we attribute that term as meaning a piece or branch of a plant, basically a woody species, being cut, shaped and inserted into a suitably prepared recipient. Check out please, saddle grafting etc. Whereas in relation to roses. The UK wording is. Budding. This as I understand it, being a plant pathologist is descriptive of. @ Taking a shield bud, found at the axis of a leaf stalk, preparing it and inserting it into a prepare slit of a suitable recipient. Once again. No offence to connversational/local vocabulary.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Mar 11, 2018 8:06 PM CST

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You're right. The two practices are different and both practices are used here. Grafting was the preferred method until recently. Budding is more common here now than before, but I still prefer grafted roses because they are less likely to grow in a lopsided manner. I suppose this problem could be overcome by inserting more than one bud or by striving for a more centralized insertion, but the poorly budded roses I bought two years ago are still growing only on one side of the rose bush.

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