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Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Mar 22, 2018 11:56 AM CST
@teacup754 _ Took this picture yesterday. My nextdoor neighbor has 3 of these hollies in his front yard. I think of them as Japanese hollies but I think that might be too generic of a name. Does it look like one of yours?


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Frisco, TX (Zone 8a)
zone 8
Hummingbirder Region: Texas Roses Butterflies Echinacea
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teacup754
Mar 22, 2018 5:31 PM CST
Yes it does. Hopefully it will be alive and thrive this time
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Mar 22, 2018 7:06 PM CST
Just don't let it freeze. I did that once. It was in a far corner and I forgot about it. It was 5 or 6 years ago when we had an usually fierce winter. Later I saw that the holly had turned to mush. Also, it was in a container so that might have made it worse. I dunno. I'm sure you'll do fine with yours.
Frisco, TX (Zone 8a)
zone 8
Hummingbirder Region: Texas Roses Butterflies Echinacea
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teacup754
Mar 22, 2018 8:13 PM CST
I've heard that when plants are in containers the cold in winter is a zone colder than plants in the ground.
Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Herbs Moon Gardener Enjoys or suffers hot summers Heirlooms Vegetable Grower
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kittriana
Mar 23, 2018 9:54 PM CST
Nubby? WHERE in north Texas do you live? I lived in Wichita Falls, had a50' pecan in the front yard and still had to mow. Of course, at least twice a year I fertilized that tree and the yard with a good dose of 11-0-0 ammonium nitrate ( cant get it nowadays) and deep water soaked the front yard at least once every 7 or 8 days. I also had to prop the pecan branches up with 2x4"s to get down the sidewalk. Had a neighbor who would haul as many leaves as I would give him to his garden. I grew louffa gourds on the chain link and we ate them with meals, a Jacobs bean also on the fence ( hyacinth bean) my sun was morning sun on the half of the yard not covered by pecan tree.
So many roads to take, choices to make, and laughs to share!
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Mar 24, 2018 2:13 PM CST
Not sure if the OP is still with us.
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Mar 27, 2018 8:58 PM CST
Altho we've apparently lost (or scared) the OP, I'd still like some suggestions for shrubs and non-aggressive ground covers that like shade. Or partial shade. (Deceptive terms.) Any ideas? Anyone? As for the shrubbery, it would need to be evergreen.

When I bought my house many years ago, there was some type of holly that grew in front and looked beautiful. Then one year I had the house painted which was a good thing. But the painter butchered the holly and that was a bad thing.

Having seen, or rather bumped into, Leatherleaf Mahonias at my brother's house, I thought it would be great to plant under my front windows as no one would climb through them. Unfortunately the landscaper who planted them for me also planted what turned out to be a very aggressive ground cover. I still have the mahonias but they're very puny because the ground cover went under the metal edging and was choking the shrubs. Grrr. Since they're slow growers and non-natives (didn't know about those things back then), I'm very tempted to pull them up or at least intersperse some other shrubs among them. Not a lot of sun but obviously enough to grow some type of holly. Wish I knew what kind it was.
Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Herbs Moon Gardener Enjoys or suffers hot summers Heirlooms Vegetable Grower
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kittriana
Mar 27, 2018 11:27 PM CST
I have native holly growing, both the American holly which is a tree under the oaks and pines, grows slowly. And, of course I have ilex vomitoria - yaupons. why would you want those? what groundcover did you get that choked mahonias?
So many roads to take, choices to make, and laughs to share!
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Mar 28, 2018 11:44 PM CST
I wouldn't want those particular hollies. Love yaupons but prefer them as small trees. Not crazy about American Holly if it's what I think it is. I haven't looked into which hollies can handle part shade. And I'd want a dwarf. (That sounds weird, eh?) I definitely want something that the birds will like.

The ground cover. I hate to even invoke it's name. Common name is Purple Wintercreeper. It was like a trip wire crisscrossing my front yard. It would be very easy for one's foot to slide under the vine as opposed to walking on top of it. When I started trying to eliminate it, it grew into huge shrubs with the thickest root system I've seen. Was choking out everything. Yes, I could have kept it for my replacement shrubbery but figured it was too dangerous. Still am watching to make sure none of it pops back up.

You can see how big my groundcover was getting.

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These are the roots when they were chopped but not gone. It took me forever to eliminate them. Couldn't even pay any of the lawn guys to help me. But I was really shocked at the size of the roots (no picture) and how far and wide and deep they were.


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Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Herbs Moon Gardener Enjoys or suffers hot summers Heirlooms Vegetable Grower
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kittriana
Mar 29, 2018 1:02 AM CST
Says purple wintercreeper is a euonymous. Looks like it would be used to hold sandy ground and hide snakes down here. Cant say I like it. Wonder if you got a mutant one...would explain huge size... Thumbs down chuckl. Thanx for update on that
So many roads to take, choices to make, and laughs to share!
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Apr 2, 2018 11:39 AM CST
Kitt -- Since you mentioned American Holly, is this it? Growing at the vacant house nextdoor. Sharp Very sharp. But flowering and I'd never noticed it flowering before.

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Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Herbs Moon Gardener Enjoys or suffers hot summers Heirlooms Vegetable Grower
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kittriana
Apr 2, 2018 8:12 PM CST
ilex opaca is more a tree, that looks like one of the imports and hybrids. Too dark for pix, will get one in the morning. They wont grow everywhere in Texas - seem to like the river bottom areas the most. Shrug!
So many roads to take, choices to make, and laughs to share!
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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tx_flower_child
Apr 3, 2018 10:16 AM CST
Looking at the Ilex database I saw that there's an American Holly and a Chinese Holly that look similar. Whatever it is, I'm merely curious. Does seem to grow sorta tall. There's 2 that are bookends and crowded by a lot of this that and the other.
Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Herbs Moon Gardener Enjoys or suffers hot summers Heirlooms Vegetable Grower
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kittriana
Apr 3, 2018 12:06 PM CST
Here are my native ilex opaca. They are deep shade understory, open type airy trees here, maybe reach 35'
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Hard to see I know, but few are that large, below is trying to show you growth patterns of smaller trees growing. The white bark of the tree that has survived a bit longer

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bookend hollies, chuckl, are usually hybrids or imports, and wanted to repel entry so very stiff and prickly. Mine are blooming right now as well- its to create that red berry for Christmas that hollies are famous for
So many roads to take, choices to make, and laughs to share!
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