Plant ID forum: Madeira again. Tiny yellow flower

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Silversurfer
Mar 17, 2018 6:59 AM CST
Just one single very old image.....8th February 2007
Palaheiro Gardens Funchal. Madeira.
Got better at taking several pics to show more detail later on.

Please can anyone help with an id.
Thank you.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 17, 2018 11:00 AM CST
Those blooms look so familiar but the only plant that comes to mind right now is Aeonium and although the blooms look similar, it's not the one I'm remembering. If it pops into mind I'll report back but hopefully someone will recognize those pretty flowers soon and offer a name!
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Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Mar 17, 2018 11:19 AM CST
The flowers look very familiar to me also. See the leaves that seem to be radiating out from below the inflorescence? They also look really familiar. I have to try to put them together with a name.

Off thinking with Lin....
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islander
Mar 17, 2018 12:53 PM CST
Pittosporum?
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Silversurfer
Mar 17, 2018 1:02 PM CST
islander said:Pittosporum?


Thanks for the suggestion islander but to my knowledge all Pittosporum flower have 5 petals.
Flowers in my pic have 6 petals


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Silversurfer
Mar 17, 2018 1:05 PM CST
plantladylin said:Those blooms look so familiar but the only plant that comes to mind right now is Aeonium and although the blooms look similar, it's not the one I'm remembering. If it pops into mind I'll report back but hopefully someone will recognize those pretty flowers soon and offer a name!


Thanks for your thoughts Lin...but Aeonium flowers have multiple petals and are a different structure.

http://www.photomacrography.ne...

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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 17, 2018 1:43 PM CST
Similar? Machilus thumbergii: https://www.bing.com/images/se...
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plantladylin
Mar 17, 2018 3:41 PM CST
I sure wish I could remember the plant I'm thinking about but since it evades my brain, I'm just throwing out wild guesses here for comparison:

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Silversurfer
Mar 17, 2018 5:01 PM CST
plantladylin said:I sure wish I could remember the plant I'm thinking about but since it evades my brain, I'm just throwing out wild guesses here for comparison:


OMG....Lin I do believe you have got it.....Umbellularia californica.

I have blown up part of my pic and noticed it had tiny blobs on the stamens.


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Doing some research I found this amazing link...with 11 detailed images.

http://nathistoc.bio.uci.edu/p...

It states that each flower has 9 stamen...3 in an inner row....with stalked orange glands at the base. Each of the stamens carries 4 anthers sacs

I believe I can see this in my rather poor pic.

Many many thanks...your help has been very much appreciated.
Further more I have learnt a lot more than I knew before!


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DaisyI
Mar 17, 2018 5:09 PM CST
Actually, that's not a bad guess. But I'm not sure California Bay Laurel (I've never heard them called Pepperwood) would grow anywhere except where they grow - a Pacific Northwest fog bank.

Maybe another type of Laurel though.
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Silversurfer
Mar 17, 2018 5:28 PM CST
DaisyI said:Actually, that's not a bad guess. But I'm not sure California Bay Laurel (I've never heard them called Pepperwood) would grow anywhere except where they grow - a Pacific Northwest fog bank.

Maybe another type of Laurel though.


Quote wiki....."Umbellularia californica is a large hardwood tree native to coastal forests of California, as well as to coastal forests extending into Oregon.[1] It is endemic to the California Floristic Province. It is the SOLE SPECIES in the genus Umbellularia.

The tree was formerly known as Oreodaphne californica.[2] In Oregon, this tree is known as Oregon myrtle, while in California it is called California bay laurel, which may be shortened to California bay[3] or California laurel. It has also been called pepperwood, spicebush, cinnamon bush, peppernut tree, headache tree,[4] mountain laurel,[5] and balm of heaven.[5]"


We used to grow Umbellularia californica in our garden in South Wales UK.
It even had flowers ..see pics.


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Madeira's Palheiro Gardens is an amazing garden .....
It grows plants from all over the world...from Africa, New Zealand, Australia, The tropics, India, China, Chile, South America and North America. " With six different climate zones, the island offers a unique environment for plants from around the world to grow and flourish.The gardens also have some of the rarest and most valuable exotic plants in the world."


It is fairly high up on the mountain and temps can be very hot to rather chilly with dense fog.

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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Mar 17, 2018 6:15 PM CST
Hmmm... Did I tell you I'm from California? Smiling Its good to know these trees will grow somewhere besides the California and Oregon Coast though.

California Bay leaves are much, much better than Mediterranean Bay leaves, BTW.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 17, 2018 6:23 PM CST
hmm ... that's just one I came across when googling. If not Umbellularia, perhaps another in the Lauraceae family? Ocotea foetens is apparently found in the forests of Madeira and the Canary Islands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

More photos of Ocotea foetens for comparison: https://www.bing.com/images/se...
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plantladylin
Mar 17, 2018 6:27 PM CST
More Ocotoea foetens bloom photos for comparison:
http://www3.gobiernodecanarias...
http://angio.bergianska.se/Bil...
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islander
Mar 17, 2018 6:46 PM CST
I found Apollonias barbujana to be very similar to the California Bay Laurel in almost every way.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 17, 2018 6:58 PM CST
Barbusano (Apollonias barbujana) also called Canary Laurel: http://www.arbolappcanarias.es...
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