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Name: tarev
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tarev
Aug 9, 2018 9:40 AM CST
Hi Lynn and Lizzy! I grow my Sedum rubrotinctum outdoors and typically it likes a cool bright light area. So my plants are in an area with morning sun and shade in the afternoon. Our conditions here are rather extreme with our very dry conditions and extreme afternoon heat so it really likes some shade in the afternoon. I can get away with daily watering here during this summer, since our dry out time is very fast.

Lizzy, I see your media is quite well draining, so it will be good to give it a bit stepped up watering especially during this summertime, just make sure you see the water drain out properly after each watering. Over here I even spray mist all over the plant since it is just so dry here and I see it as a way to cool down my plant. I do not know of your humidity levels there, so maybe for now, observe how it reacts to a bit stepped up watering.

It does grow like that eventually, growing spindly, etiolating seeking more light, but it will not like too much direct sun, it will burn. It will grow more upright if it gets better light conditions. So oftentimes if I see the roots showing already like that, I just cut off below the root line, dab a bit of cinnamon on the cut area, let it callus a bit, and stick it back to dry soil, that way I can control the height. Or you can just leave it alone, if you spritz that exposed stem lightly, it may still grow new leaves along the empty nodes.

So if your current outdoor conditions permits it, try to grow it outdoors in a part sun/shade area. Apart from the bright light, the night time conditions cools them down and encourages better gas exchange it needs for its growth.
It is also common for the plant to shed its older lower leaves, when that happens, just remove it. It will eventually expose more stem, so you can decide if you want to trim it down a bit for a more compact growth, or let it grow taller and wait if it will grow new leaves along the exposed stem.

Here are my Sedum rubrotinctum:
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Just to add: If you will bring your plants out, do it gradually, like just in a part shade area, till it acclimates to your outdoor environment.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Aug 9, 2018 9:53 AM CST

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Great information tarev, thank you so much.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Aug 9, 2018 2:47 PM CST
Lizzy if you can't grow outdoors, near a fan, or airconditioner , they like air flow! I tip my hat to you.

Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 9, 2018 8:17 PM CST
Oh tarev thank you sooo much! I wondered about the watering situation. It is so humid here I'm not sure it'd be wise to leave them outdoors but i have been taking them outdoors from dawn til about noon for a few weeks and that's when I started to see the new growth at the tippy tops. Think they may like what I'm doing so far. I'm going to try to try a tad more frequent watering and see how they like that. Currently it's been a deep watering about every week and a half. I have some teensy baby plants (still attached to mother leaves) that I've propagated. However they are seeming to stall out when they get about the size of half a pencil eraser. They are still living just not thriving. Anything particular steps I should be taking after they get to that size?

Thanks Greg for the air flow tip! I'll stick a fan in the dining room where they are.

Thanks Lynn for knowing just who to call!
You guys are awesome! Group hug
Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 9, 2018 8:48 PM CST
Any idea on a name for this character? I hope I'm in the right spot to ask, as I really don't know if it's a sedum for sure. This guy is tiny!! He was in a pot i purchased at a shop in town. I loved the Echeveria and the cactus in the pot and this guy and an aloe were a bonus! He had already flowered before I acquired him, but even the teeny dried blooms are interesting. Should I pluck the remnants of those flowers off or just let them chill? Would love to know more about this fella.
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Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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tarev
Aug 10, 2018 11:13 AM CST
Hi Lizzy, I think you have to give your sedum a chance to acclimate further outdoors. I would suggest you stop bringing them in and out at this time, just position them outdoors in a part sun/shade area, and leave it there. They need to acclimate and harden to whatever is the prevailing condition outdoors. Definitely not in very full sun, they are not like cacti that can handle more sun. Most succulents are just fine with bright light, morning sun.

Unless of course if you have a forecast of a torrential downpour, then bring it in.

Your other plant looks quite lovely! Sorry do not know its name though.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Aug 10, 2018 6:32 PM CST
Lizzy that really is a pretty plant, it looks familiar but can't place it??
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You might want to post it on the tender succulent thread, there are experts on there (like Baja)
I tip my hat to you.

Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 12, 2018 8:43 PM CST
Thanks for the tip Greg!

Thanks Tarev! I think I have a shady spot on my north front porch under a Japanese maple that me be the ticket for these guys. They will not however survive the winter here though I don't believe. What kind of temperatures should warrant them returning indoors for the winter? When night temps fall consistently below 40 degrees? 35 maybe?
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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tarev
Aug 14, 2018 12:54 PM CST
I grow my Sedums outdoors, so far they can take our cold here, since our winters are mild even though it is our rainy season too. So I make sure my media is very gritty, porous and well draining.

But if you are not sure, I think it is safe to say, use 32F to 40F as your lowest temp for your Sedums, but you have to keep them very dry.

I see most cold damage if we get forecast of 20F and below, and that usually occurs in January.
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Aug 16, 2018 5:22 PM CST
Fall must be on its way!
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 16, 2018 6:22 PM CST

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Same here Julia. I can't believe the Hylotelephium are already blooming.
Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 17, 2018 11:29 AM CST
Thank you ever so much tarev! Our winters can be very wet and very cold also. We have plenty of days that are below that 32 degree threshold. We have several days, well nights rather, that we get into negative temps. I'll keep my eye out for the winter trends and decide on what I should do with these guys. Thanks for all the help!

Lynn and Julia, I don't know about y'all but I'm sooo ready! Bring on fall!
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Aug 17, 2018 11:32 AM CST

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It is not far off now Lizzy.
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Aug 17, 2018 12:15 PM CST
I agree I see the maples coloring and annuals in the containers slowing there growth.
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Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 17, 2018 12:18 PM CST
Not quite that far along here, but I'll wait! We've had a pretty wet summer compared to normal so I hoping for a little more in the way of color versus the past couple years.
Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 19, 2018 9:20 PM CST
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Some lovely aurora blushing on the new growth of my rubrotinctum. They definitely like being outdoors and the increase in watering. theyre back to plump shiny leaves! Hurray!
Also, some teeny babies!! So exciting!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 20, 2018 8:46 AM CST

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Way to go Lizzy. Hurray!
Name: Lizzy
Northern KY (Zone 6b)
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Mefforde
Aug 20, 2018 7:22 PM CST
Thanks Lynn! My successes lately have been in large part with the wealth of information y'all kind folks have imparted to me. I'm so grateful to have found all of you here on this site! Smiling
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Name: BigT
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Bigtattoo
Aug 27, 2018 11:31 AM CST
Lizzy, your rubrotinctum is looking very happy, and your little babies are so cute, not kittens or puppies cute, but still cute and very exciting to see. Hurray!

Some of my sedum projects.
Petrosedum rupestre subsp. rupestre 'Blue Spruce' this hanging basket has been growing in my garden 10-12 years. Was originally a petunia basket that I threw some Blue Spruce cuttings in and they took. Winter, summer, full sun, freezing cold, and total neglect over the years. This year it was showing some signs of the neglect. A lot of the soil had been washed out of the pot, barely half full, so I decided to show it some love. (I really do love this planting, I'm just amazed at how tough this plant is.) I popped it out of the pot, added fresh soil mix to the bottom, popped it back in, filled in around the sides, then poultry grit. I had taken some cuttings for another little project that is still in the works. I think it's bounced back nicely, lots of new growth and a plethora of tiny new side branches.

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Phedimus sichotensis cuttings from a nursery flat I have. This appears to be another tough plant. First full year growing it, I will see how it fares this winter. Took the cuttings, potted them up, put it in full sun, and it didn't skip a beat.

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Sedum sarmentosum, I saw this growing in a neighbors bird bath planter 15 years ago. I stopped to comment on her garden and especially how I loved her bird bath. She offered me some starts from pieces that had fallen to the ground and rooted up. From those scruffy little starts I now have a 4' window box, 2 big specimen planters, out on my front porch. I'm not sure if it's bits and pieces that fall off and root up everywhere or possibly self seeding, but in the mulch below, at the base of planters, cracks in my concrete steps, there is no stopping it. DW Becky aka "The Terminator" regularly gathers up these volunteers and throws them in pots. I also have 8 big pots on either side of my front steps coming up to the porch. Last year she threw some sprigs in a hanging basket that she hung in the back yard. That is the 3rd picture. The other two pictures are another hanging basket she started several weeks ago, along with one other. I've thought of planting this in a landscape bed but am concerned it will become invasive. It will grow in anything, from little to no soil to regular potting mix. Another side note. I container grew some tomatoes last year, and after harvesting I pulled the plant roots and all and left the container in the garden area for future use, half full of soil. DW found some sprigs on the ground under her basket from last year. Tosses them into the 5 gallon bucket and well now that is also covered. Hilarious!

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Phedimus spurius NOID I found these cuttings growing in a nursery flat with another spurius NOID without the red leaf margins. I isolated these cuttings and have been giving them a little TLC. (Yea, not really. They've been sitting in full sun on the corner of my potting bench from day one.) They are getting redder with the shorter days.

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Hylotelephium spectabile 'Herbstfreude' (aka Autumn Joy) DW found this in the clearance section at a local home improvement center that was still trying to make a buck from the last of their very sad looking bare root stock. I've never grown Hylotelephium but a couple neighbors have it growing as border plantings along their cyclone fencing and it always looks nice. I wouldn' have given two cents for the scraggly, wilted plants, but she was just giddy as a school girl. Total of 3 starts in the package, she potted each individually in gallon pots and has been nurturing them along, although they really could use more sun. They have recovered very well after a rough start. (I did pull the bind weed from the potting soil, missed the leaves that are front and center.)



Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 27, 2018 12:01 PM CST

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BigT everyone of those sedum photos are beautiful. I have never grown Sedum sarmentosum, after seeing your photos I may have to give it a try.
You will love your 'Herbstfreude' (aka Autumn Joy) once it gets going. I have had it for many years. The clumps just get larger and more spectacular. I have it in full sun and partial shade, never falls over, always strong and upright. But, the soil is lean and I don't fertilize. I think the plants can get a bit weak and flop over if given to much nutrients.

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