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Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Mar 22, 2018 5:45 PM CST
I think the answer to the clear orange was posted by someone. Orange is a mix of red & yellow so all oranges will have both colors (some having more of one than the other). So there is no orange daylily that isn't muddy by definition if by muddy you mean having red or yellow undertones.
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Mar 22, 2018 5:50 PM CST
Well so far by the feedback, it appears that early culling may or may not be of any benefit and could even be cutting out some nice plants. But, if you don't plant them all there is no way to know, and I know I can't plant them all. My seedling planting is pretty much done for this year anyhow, so just hoping for some successes among the duds. I did find my first scape on a plant today, a NOID of course.
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Mar 22, 2018 7:37 PM CST
bxncbx said:I think the answer to the clear orange was posted by someone. Orange is a mix of red & yellow so all oranges will have both colors (some having more of one than the other). So there is no orange daylily that isn't muddy by definition if by muddy you mean having red or yellow undertones.


Thanks Elena! I either missed that in the thread or forgot it. I'll go back and read the posts from the top and see if I can find it. That description surprises me some though. That would make orange a blend? I'll see if I can find the post! Thanks again.




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Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Mar 23, 2018 7:52 AM CST
My seedlings want to come live in you guys gardens.
Very nice beds that any plant would love to have for a home.

For the most part we plant all the seeds we make and we make thousands each year. We don't cull for at least a few years so everthing has equal opportunity. Spacing is close - rows about 12" and 8" between plants. A difference for us from what I see and hear is that we grow seedlings in very natural and tough conditions. Our seedling beds are in areas where we took out pasture for space. The seedlings get whatever mother nature gives or fails to give. Unfortunate competition with weeds, grass, and critters in the beds is part of the test. We can't keep an acre of scatterd beds clean. We clean them in the spring so their heads are above the weeds and grass and we try to remember to close gates we go thru so they don't get grazed too often by the livestock.
Daylilies are tough and resilliant but they can cull themselves particularly in the first year. Amazing to us that last years seedlings survived at all after 73 days without rain in the heat of summer followed by 113 days with only a trace of rain. Not likely to have a very high percentage of second year blooms from them.
We are looking for seedlings to name and register but a seedling not will make it here if it needs special attention.

This may be my next seedling bed..
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Mar 23, 2018 8:38 AM CST
@kidfishing,
I see you have the landscaping crew doing the prep work for the new bed already!
Name: Larry
Augusta, GA area (Zone 8a)
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LarryW
Mar 23, 2018 2:05 PM CST
Hello Larry The dimensions on the beds is 6 X 12 feet. However, I would recommend no wider than 5 feet. I am tall and have long arms, but even so I have trouble getting to the plants in the middle rows. I have used plantings as close 6 inches in all directions, but am more comfortable using rows and plants in the rows at least 8 inches apart. That along with staggering the planting so that if plants in row 1 are at 8, 16, 24, etc. inches the plants in row 2 will be at 12, 20, 28, etc. inches apart. Even with that, when you have good growth, telling exactly which seedling is the good one and which is not can be challenging, especially the second blooming year. I use a few tall flags marked with both row and plant ID numbers to help me know what's what. Even then I have to dig into the foliage sometimes.
As for "runts" I think there are two different types. There are those that didn't germinate as early as most of the others and are therefore not as big when it is time to plant. Those I will tend to plant as long as I have room. The other type are seedlings that germinated about the same time as others but just haven't grown well. Those I may plant in a pot if it is a cross that I really want to see, but if its a so-so cross or I'm running out of room, they don't get planted. This is going to be really tough when planting less seeds as I am already not planting some crosses that I really would like to plant.
To those that called me organized and that I had everything looking neat and clean, thanks, but my beds don't look like that all the time, and once blooming season starts and on through summer, there are a number of burned and dying leaves as heat stress sets in. Then comes fall and a couple of inches of leaves. I try to keep it presentable, but it only looks this good in late March and through most of April.
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Mar 23, 2018 7:06 PM CST
kidfishing said:
This may be my next seedling bed..
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Hurray! Sheep manure...the seedlings should LOVE that Lovey dubby .

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Kat2014
Mar 24, 2018 4:51 PM CST
Loved reading the various posts about seedlings and growing them on. I've not yet tried making my own crosses --- maybe never will --- but would just like to share my reasoning on what I buy and why. I do not want to have to stake or cage any tall varieties, so I gravitate toward shorter scapes, usually 24" and under, very occasionally to a max of 25" or 26". Nothing taller. And my first preference is for tetraploids, as they seem to be so much sturdier. I would take all of your short-scaped culls in a heartbeat! Around here, if a strong wind knocks down the scape, out goes the plant. So... I guess my bottom line is, don't be too quick to discard the shorter scapes!
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Mar 24, 2018 9:42 PM CST
Short scapes are not too bad, if the bloom is still held up above the foliage so it can be seen. Even a fairly tall scape that does not get the blooms higher than tall foliage is not desirable.
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Mar 28, 2018 5:20 AM CST
Are you guys direct sowing or starting inside? I am behind but have lots of nice crosses that I want to grow. I may try making a raised bed for these. Hurray!
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Mar 28, 2018 8:22 AM CST
All mine were planted in cups that were buried in the ground outdoors.

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