Peonies forum: Way too many Saunder's hybrids!

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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Mar 19, 2018 4:20 PM CST
Clearly the Professor over produced peony hybrids.

So, my question is what is your favorite Saunder's peony.

Can't do just one? OK top 3.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Mar 19, 2018 5:59 PM CST
My top 3 favorites of all the ones in my garden are
Alexander Woollcott
Winged Victory
Athena

The other peonies that I don't have but on my wish list are Blushing Princess and Tranquil Dove. I think if I grow these two, they would rank second and third on my top 3 list.
Name: Gary Ray
North Carolina (Zone 7b)
graycrna4u
Mar 19, 2018 7:23 PM CST
Alexander Woollcott, hands down favorite.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Mar 20, 2018 5:12 PM CST
Singles are not really peonies are they?

Paeonia 'Horizon', 2016


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Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Mar 20, 2018 5:39 PM CST
Frank, are you being facetious? Confused
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
Peonies Hummingbirder Hostas Region: Tennessee Butterflies Garden Photography
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Mieko2
Mar 21, 2018 9:14 AM CST
I got Alexander Wolcott last Fall. Can't wait to see it bloom since so many are saying it's their favorite!
LG -I have a little garden in which to walk and immensity in which to dream.
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3b)
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anyagoro
Mar 21, 2018 2:13 PM CST
I also, LG! I hope to see the first flower soon!
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
Mar 21, 2018 4:54 PM CST
It's a gorgeous shade of red. You will love it. Make a great cut flower too. I am not much of a writer so I hope the writer of this post on houzz would not mind that I share his description of AW peony here. His description of AW is spot on. The only negative thing about it is that the flowers do not handle heat well.

"Another red to add to the list is ALEXANDER WOOLLCOTT (Saunders, 1941). As the petals unfurl, the bloom looks almost like a red camelia. When fully open, they form into a gorgeous red cup of layer after layer of red ruffles surrounding a crop of yellow stamens - imagine a poppy crossed with a rugosa rose. The chief virtue of Alexander Wolllcott is that its red is a true red, and stays red through and through. It will not fade to magenta. Alexander Woolcott is an early season bloomer for us here in New Jersey. (However with our cool springs here, our early season weeks often equate roughly to mid-season in other areas). Sadly this peony is not fragrant. It is a great choice though if you would like to be assured of Red Peonies (or Pfingstrosen, as they are called in German)for Pentecost even when it falls early."
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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LizinElizabeth
Mar 21, 2018 6:26 PM CST
Alexander Woollcott
Cytheria
Whatever Saunder's is blooming at the time because I love them all!
Added Audrey and Janice last fall, really hoping for a bloom this year. Descriptions and pics make me think they'll be usurping Alexander and Cytheria as favs!
LizB
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
Mar 21, 2018 6:46 PM CST
What a lovely description, Karen!

You know I will post a pic if it blooms this year!
LG -I have a little garden in which to walk and immensity in which to dream.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
Mar 24, 2018 9:54 AM CST
I do like Athena...

Paeonia 'Athena' (Saunders, 1949) is an extra early blooming quadruple hybrid, a hybrid composed of four different peony species: lactiflora, officinalis, macrophylla and mlokosewitschi.  An ivory-white single with raspberry flares. Gold stamens and bright green carpels with rosy pink tips. No sidebuds. Professor A.P. Saunders (1869-1953) is commonly known as the father of inter-species herbaceous hybrid peonies. He introduced around 300 hybrid peonies with the median distribution occurring in 1941.




littlebin
Mar 24, 2018 6:51 PM CST
Does professor Saunders earn lots of money from so many cultivars?
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Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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LizinElizabeth
Mar 24, 2018 7:20 PM CST
I don't know how that works in the peony world, there are only a couple of peonies that I've ever heard of that has any kind of trademark or patent. I don't know if any of the surviving family, or even if there is any surviving family, is in the peony business. I think most growers/hybridizers are lucky to make a lifestyle sustaining wage from creating and selling their introductions and I don't think many are rich except maybe some of the big corporations that buy out the family business.....I guess if a hybridizer sells off a big collection to another grower it's going to be quite a bit of money but deservedly so--the years of work and capital tied up in creating that inventory would be significant.
LizB
Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Mar 26, 2018 5:21 PM CST
Has anyone seed Eliza Lundy for sale? what about Lois' Choice?
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
Mar 26, 2018 8:16 PM CST
Oberon46 said:Has anyone seed Eliza Lundy for sale? what about Lois' Choice?


Here's Eliza...

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LG -I have a little garden in which to walk and immensity in which to dream.
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3b)
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anyagoro
Mar 26, 2018 9:22 PM CST
No really on sale, just available:
Eliza Lundy - also Swenson's and Gold City Flowers ($25), Hidden Springs ($28.99), Solaris ($28).

Lois' Choice - Brooks ($85), Adelman's and hollingsworthpeonies ($90),

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Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Mar 27, 2018 8:37 PM CST
Thanks Anya and LG. I bought Lois' Choice from Hollingsworth. I can't make up my mind about Eliza Lundy. I want to keep up the collection at the botanical garden as they have all the Gold Medal winners but some of the tree peonies. We are still testing to see how they do here. I just don't see EL being better than say Red Charm. At least it isn't very expensive. I am sure that LC will be much less expensive in a year or so.
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3b)
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anyagoro
Mar 27, 2018 9:14 PM CST
LC has been around for a a while at the same high price, I hope it will be cheaper soon. I don't know if it increases fast or slow. To me the flower looks too much multicolored but people admire it and I trust their opinion, would love to see it in person.

EL is just shorter than Red Charm and it is its main advantage I guess. Would be interesting to compare it with RC in person.
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
Mar 28, 2018 12:44 AM CST
I believe LC doesn't multiply quickly, plus it has strong stems so it may be in demand as a cut flower variety.
The good thing about you two going to the APS Convention this year is that you will get to see so many Peonies in real life! Hurray!

LG -I have a little garden in which to walk and immensity in which to dream.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Mar 28, 2018 10:18 AM CST
I agree with LG! You may have to expand your garden, Mary and Anya! Seeing so many beautiful peonies at the convention may make it very hard for you to choose and you may end up adding them all to your garden.
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